16 Mar
1998
16 Mar
'98
12:48 p.m.
MS bashing in a MODERN context is off-topic, yes, but
saying
how
BASIC for the Altair was bloated certainly is the best
of both
worlds
IMHO. But to go even further back, was there any
IBM-bashing
before
the 80's?
a 4KB paper tape Basic for the Altair was bloated? Compared to
what, the 2KB Tiny Basic Dr. Dobbs was pushing? At least you
got paper tape for the Altair, the Dr. Dobbs version you had to
type in from very small print in the magazine. And most
important, Bill's 4K Basic worked, did anyone ever get the IMSAI
paper tape Basic to work? (We gave up and threw ours away after
several futile tries)
IBM bashing before PCs? As an old Univac/CDC type I can swear
(with fingers crossed behind back) we never said a single bad
word about OS/360 or the blazing speed of a 360/20, and we
always envied the S/3ers their MFCU and the cute little 96 col.
cards.
Jack Peacock
16 Mar
16 Mar
3:28 p.m.
In article <012701bd510c$1ef12720$14ac31cf(a)jack.simconv.com>om>, Jack
Peacock <peacock(a)simconv.com> writes
a 4KB paper tape Basic for the Altair was bloated?
Compared to
what, the 2KB Tiny Basic Dr. Dobbs was pushing? At least you
got paper tape for the Altair, the Dr. Dobbs version you had to
type in from very small print in the magazine. And most
important, Bill's 4K Basic worked, did anyone ever get the IMSAI
paper tape Basic to work? (We gave up and threw ours away after
several futile tries)
Does anyone remember Basic5, for CP/M IIRC? It was a 5k Basic
which
took up about 8k. As for small languages, ETI published 'Simple' for
the 8080 c.1977 which was a non-trivial self-contained interactive
interpreter, in 256 bytes including space for your own UART drivers.
--
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4:44 p.m.
IBM bashing before PCs? As an old Univac/CDC type I
can swear
(with fingers crossed behind back) we never said a single bad
word about OS/360 or the blazing speed of a 360/20, and we
always envied the S/3ers their MFCU and the cute little 96 col.
cards.
Oh, CDC...Computer Dinosaur Corporation...
Sorry.
I still want a Cyber, however (any other 180s being decommissioned
lately?).
Seriously, IBM was _THE_ bad guy in the computer world for many years
prior to the PC. It took both the greater dislike of Microsoft and the
release of the RS/6000 to turn the heads of many hackers.
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
5:28 p.m.
CDC? ;) CDC did produced good HDD's in olden
days...
They made good computers for a while as well. They really were great
machines in the 1960s, but thru the 1970s, their mainframes lagged far
behind, and management did nothing to help it. They made a very good try
in the early 1980s with the ETA supercomputers and Cyber 180s, but by
then, most people had written them off. In the end, it was just rebadged
SGIs called Cyber 190s...
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
7:47 p.m.
William Donzelli wrote:
This reminds me of a series of articles I ran accross in the Computer
Shopper. It's John Dvorak's "What Ever Happened To..." column. Over
the past several months he's been doing a series on the seven dwarves.
The articles can be found online at http://www.zdnet.com/cshopper/
--
Dan Rector
rector(a)usa.net
CDC? ;) CDC did produced good HDD's in
olden days...
They made good computers for a while as well. They really were great
machines in the 1960s, but thru the 1970s, their mainframes lagged far
behind, and management did nothing to help it. They made a very good try
in the early 1980s with the ETA supercomputers and Cyber 180s, but by
then, most people had written them off. In the end, it was just rebadged
SGIs called Cyber 190s...
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net 
4:47 p.m.
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11:14 p.m.
New subject: System names (was Re: Arrrgh! Micro$h*t again....)
At 04:11 PM 3/16/98 -0800, someone wrote:
And most of the Unibus PDP-11's delivered in the 70's and early 80's had
cabinet trim and/or front panel color scheme as "Purple/Magenta", leading
to:
PDP=Purple Data Processor
NOOOOOOO! Don't go there!! next thing you know someone will be jumping in
with their PDP-11/70 named "Barney"!!! B^}
-jim
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11:50 p.m.
New subject: Apple 1 at Fry's!
For those in Silicon Valley who haven't been to the new Fry's in
Sunnyvale: go check out CHAC's Apple 1 on display. Unlike the gaudy Mayan
and Aztec themes of some other recent Fry's, this one has sort of an art
deco theme with large posters of HP35s, Xerox Altos, and other machines
worthy of worship.
-- Doug
17 Mar
17 Mar
7:58 a.m.
New subject: System names (was Re: Arrrgh! Micro$h*t again....)
[I love you, you love me, I'm your purple P-D-P...]
Oh, not in 10 bazillion years! I hate that detestable creature!
Barney is the Purple Satan! Besides, I name all my machines after Sailormoon
characters.
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4:12 a.m.
New subject: System names
On 17 Mar 98 at 5:58, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
Besides, I name all my machines after
Sailormoon characters. -------
You are one sick puppy. :-)
I name systems on my home network after ships from different
anime; Lovely Angel, White Base, Sol Bianca, etc. Guess it comes
from working around the stuff all day. Haven't
settled on a name for
my PDP-11/34 yet.
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http://www.neosoft.com/~dlw
11:04 a.m.
New subject: System names
On 17 Mar 98 at 5:58, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
Ok, I'll add mine:
My systems are named after ships of the (former) Imperial Japanese
Navy.
Hiryu, Akagi, Shinano . . .
When it comes to my work, I've always fancied myself as a bit of a
Kamikaze Pilot . ..
Jeff
Besides, I name all my machines after
Sailormoon characters. -------
You are one sick puppy. :-)
I name systems on my home network after ships from different
anime; Lovely Angel, White Base, Sol Bianca, etc. Guess it comes
from working around the stuff all day. Haven't settled on a name for
my PDP-11/34 yet.
12:34 p.m.
New subject: System names
[Kamikaze Pilot]
Isn't that what's referred to as Shotgun Debugging?
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1:35 p.m.
New subject: System names
[Kamikaze Pilot]
Isn't that what's referred to as Shotgun Debugging?
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In one sense I imagine, but I generally don't work that way.
Actually, the Kamikaze bit refers to the days when I did field
service on networks.
Being a chump, I was frequently sent into a site where the situation
was totally out of hand; the customer hostile, network hosed up, data
in jeopardy with no recent backups, etc., etc.
I was sent out on a few of these calls from which I was not expected
to return (sic). ;^)
3:39 p.m.
New subject: System names
[Kamikaze bit explanation]
Ahh, I see.
Did you remeber to banzai to the Emperor when you entered the door?
Serious question, although VERY off-topic: What kind of drugs did they GIVE
those boys to convince them to fly into a boat? I was told they
loaded them up with sake, which means that Japanese sake must be
VERY potent...
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4:50 p.m.
New subject: System names
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
[Kamikaze bit explanation]
Ahh, I see.
Did you remeber to banzai to the Emperor when you entered the door?
Serious question, although VERY off-topic: What kind of drugs did they GIVE
those boys to convince them to fly into a boat? I was told they
loaded them up with sake, which means that Japanese sake must be
VERY potent...
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I think you would find that it was a very fanatic form of patriotism
rather than the sake.
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11:31 a.m.
New subject: System names
[One sick puppy]
And just what does that mean???
[No name for 11/34]
I found one for mine, easy! It makes a peculiar whining noise when running,
as the PSU is too lightly loaded. I named it Usagi. :)
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11:46 a.m.
New subject: System names
Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
[One sick puppy]
And just what does that mean???
Well one does not need to be a psychotherapist to reach certain
conclusions about why your computers are named after 14 year old girls
in very short skirts ;) Sick plug: If you have Java, you may wish to
visit my home page and play Jupiter Saves the Universe (yes, it's _that_
Jupiter)...
--
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http://www.crl.com/~mor/
11:46 a.m.
New subject: System names
[Girls in short skirts...]
That has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! (Well... maybe a LITTLE...)
I think it's a wonderful story! The girls running around in
skimpy outfits has little/nothing to do with it.
(I have to bang this into Jeff's head, he's always making ecchi remarks
about that...)
[Jupiter Saves...]
Oh! You wrote that? Cool!
I went and played it once, my parent were annoyed as I was supposed to be
finding something important for them.
[Worse...]
If you think naming machines after Senshi is bad, I have a sailormoon
tape (In japanese!) that I play in my car. Made it myself from .mp2's
on the internet. I can sing along to most of it and actually keep time/
not screw word up. Of course, I haven't the foggiest what I'm saying,
but it gets my brother to shut up. It's all good.
BTW, Ami is my favorite. Any chance of doing an Ami Saves the World game?
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18 Mar
18 Mar
7:34 a.m.
New subject: System names
David Williams wrote:
On 17 Mar 98 at 5:58, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
I used to name all of my systems after characters from the Rocky &
Bullwinkle show, until I ran out of characters. So I've switched
over to the Red Dwarf television show, but I'm almost out of names
there as well. Dunno what I'll try next. (Posting from "rimmer").
--
Ward Griffiths
Dylan: How many years must some people exist,
before they're allowed to be free?
WDG3rd: If they "must" exist until they're "allowed",
they'll never be free.
Besides, I name all my machines after
Sailormoon characters. -------
You are one sick puppy. :-)
I name systems on my home network after ships from different
anime; Lovely Angel, White Base, Sol Bianca, etc. Guess it comes
from working around the stuff all day. Haven't settled on a name for
my PDP-11/34 yet.
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