I agree. Whether it was Apple or IBM or Tandy or someone else, it would have happened anyway. If I had my 'druthers though, what ended up in the hands of the masses would have been more of a real appliance than something to be viewed as a computer. When you get right down to it the main differences among a game console, a dedicated word processor and a "personal computer" are the expectations of the user. Nothing wrong with giving the masses a toaster that can transform into a mixer. But when you foist on them a device that they need a class at the local community college to learn "how to use" then you've done a disservice to both the masses and to the computer scientists. To bring this back to the collectibility question, there have been a few machines that seemed to be pitched in that direction. But they never seemed to generate the momentum that "we've got these at work; I'll buy one for home" did. A collection of those would make a nice niche display in a computing museum. BLS