On 2/11/2014 9:45 PM, Jim Stephens wrote: > I have a vmware image. I'll see if i can find an installer ISO > > The comment about being off topic is not true. I don't like > Fords, but let people collect them. Also if you need to get a > Ford going to do something useful and the topic were relevent to a > list about old fords, it should be on topic overall to such a list > > If you started delving too far into topics about things not > related to classic hardware you'd be better to take them to a > windows forum. But asking how to get classic hardware running > with older devices / hardware and specific topics to that is on > target. > > Reason being. > > The hardware for the x86 PC progressed from an 8088 thru a 286, > 386, 486, and Pentium. > > The Dos and windows platforms operated in ways that were unique, > in this way. > > Original 8088 in pure 8088 real mode. 286 introduced protected > mode but still had to deal with return to real mode and booted and > ran as a real mode OS going into protected mode and back. I > believe Windows 3.1 used a mode that was somewhat different than > win95, but the essential thing for dos, Win3.1 and win95 were all > real mode that ran another mode, but basically were real mode OS's. > > Windows 98 booted almost directly into protected mode and created > a dos box to run such software as had required real mode. > > From there on, the transition was to Windows NT and that is a > whole different can of worms. > > A lot of hardware out there deals only with the various windows > platforms, and it is not acceptable to at least be considerate of > questions which relate to the topic of windows related to the > older custom hardware. > > Just as an example a lot of the affordable high performance > scanners that have created Bitsavers require older windows and > then still barely run, and getting help to support such should not > be banned. > > Jim > > 4 i think ur so right jim, with old computers some people still want to use them cause they may do things that newer computers might not do. i know 98 can run even on a p4 machine but only limited to 512mb of ram. 98 had the issue with any amount of ram over 512mb. the computer i tried to run 98 on was an optiplex gx50 with 512mb of ram max and a 1.10ghz celeron. the optiplex gx50 has a windows 98se serial on it but also has a designed for windows xp but running xp on the computer it runs super slow. idk what to really do with the old optiplex gx50 other then to try to run 98 but yea. some piece of software i put on it must have made 98 not able to boot. idk for sure what i am going to do with that machine. i do want something that will run 98 like be designed to run 98 but yea its hard to find 98 machines these days.

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On 02/12/2014 12:28 AM, Derrick wrote: > On 2/11/2014 9:45 PM, Jim Stephens wrote: >> I have a vmware image. I'll see if i can find an installer ISO >> >> The comment about being off topic is not true. I don't like >> Fords, but let people collect them. Also if you need to get a >> Ford going to do something useful and the topic were relevent to >> a list about old fords, it should be on topic overall to such a list >> >> If you started delving too far into topics about things not >> related to classic hardware you'd be better to take them to a >> windows forum. But asking how to get classic hardware running >> with older devices / hardware and specific topics to that is on >> target. >> >> Reason being. >> >> The hardware for the x86 PC progressed from an 8088 thru a 286, >> 386, 486, and Pentium. >> >> The Dos and windows platforms operated in ways that were unique, >> in this way. >> >> Original 8088 in pure 8088 real mode. 286 introduced protected >> mode but still had to deal with return to real mode and booted >> and ran as a real mode OS going into protected mode and back. I >> believe Windows 3.1 used a mode that was somewhat different than >> win95, but the essential thing for dos, Win3.1 and win95 were >> all real mode that ran another mode, but basically were real mode >> OS's. >> >> Windows 98 booted almost directly into protected mode and created >> a dos box to run such software as had required real mode. >> >> From there on, the transition was to Windows NT and that is a >> whole different can of worms. >> >> A lot of hardware out there deals only with the various windows >> platforms, and it is not acceptable to at least be considerate of >> questions which relate to the topic of windows related to the >> older custom hardware. >> >> Just as an example a lot of the affordable high performance >> scanners that have created Bitsavers require older windows and >> then still barely run, and getting help to support such should >> not be banned. >> >> Jim >> >> 4 > i think ur so right jim, with old computers some people still want > to use them cause they may do things that newer computers might > not do. i know 98 can run even on a p4 machine but only limited to > 512mb of ram. 98 had the issue with any amount of ram over 512mb. > the computer i tried to run 98 on was an optiplex gx50 with 512mb > of ram max and a 1.10ghz celeron. the optiplex gx50 has a windows > 98se serial on it but also has a designed for windows xp but > running xp on the computer it runs super slow. idk what to really > do with the old optiplex gx50 other then to try to run 98 but yea. > some piece of software i put on it must have made 98 not able to > boot. idk for sure what i am going to do with that machine. i do > want something that will run 98 like be designed to run 98 but yea > its hard to find 98 machines these days. > I run 98SE on ASUS mobo w/AMD Athlon. That's even better performance than a P4. 98SE runs very well on it. I run Autocad, Photoshop and Illustrator and other Adobe stuff on it. No problems. Get 98SE if you can instead of 98. Works much better. As mentioned earlier I can run old hardware such as SCSI large format scanner, and large format printers on it.