Are you saying that doesn't happen any more? "Private auctions?" If you mean selling at a price of "best offer," that's probably perfectly reasonable for something of which you can't decide the value. As for posting an add for an ebay auction, I won't say they can't do it, but it annoys me. If I wanted to go to ebay to find the stuff, I would. Perhaps it's a "right place, right time" thing. My Aviion was free. Needs something done to repair the clamps in the SIMM socket -- I haven't really got the equipment to solder a SIMM socket, or I'd rip one out of a peesee mainboard for this thing. Of course, it's difficult to find DG/UX for one, once you _have_ this Aviion. :) I've seen VAXStation 4000 systems for very reasonable (sub $100) prices, which is fine, considering how many of them are still in use. You can likely pick up free CISC AS/400s. Well, it's kind of conceited to think that everyone wants to be a "computer collector" these days ;) I think the other points -- especially the recycling bit -- are right on. The solution, of course, is to find out where is your local recycling center, and to establish a relationship with somebody there. Many have no problems about selling computer-related trash, especially when they can get more for it than the could by recycling it. If you'll pay them $20 for that VAXStation 4000, you'd probably get it. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '