If you happen to work in or near any manufacturing facility, get friendly with the person who runs shipping/recieving. All kinds of good packing material gets thrown out daily. At my previous job, I I had access to all the used boxes and packing material I could ever want. The plastic air pillows work good for filling up empty space, and the crimped brown paper that's used is great for padding and seperating items. Most boxes containing computer equipment is double thickness and worth searching out. Amazingly, shipping material is very expensive! Another place to look is near construction areas of strip malls and such. I scored some very large flat cardboard and some large hard foam blocks from behind a fitness center that was opening up. An old nonserrated steak knife cuts hard foam with a minimum of crumbs. In a message dated 1/28/2007 5:38:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, cctech at porky.vax-11.org writes: