Nope... Why do you think DEC stopped making the 11/70. FCC Rules. They were so tight that DEC called back every 11/70 they could pry out of field offices (replacing them with carved up 11/74's in some places like my Princeton office) in order to meet Ma Bell's requirements for 11/70's. (They were allowed to ship used refurbed stuff for another six months or so after they had to stop making new ones -- unless they wanted to spend $$$ to have the model retrofitted for the new emissions specs and retested for RF leakage). (They probably could've used VAX cabinets and could've done this -- but they were interested in dropping the 11/70 by then because it probably not cost effective to build and the 11/73 was coming...) Anyone out on the list have the truth? The above was the Field Service guestimate after we pulled the 11/70's from Princeton in favor of an 11/74 piece and a couple of replacement Vaxes for DEC's regional data center... Bill --- bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.ddns.org Three things never anger: First, the one who runs your DEC, The one who does Field Service and the one who signs your check.