26 Jan
2015
26 Jan
'15
7:48 a.m.
On 25 January 2015 at 00:04, John Foust <jfoust at threedee.com> wrote:
I haven't ever played with official Sugru, but how
does it differ
from ordinary relatively inexpensive Shoe Goo? Is Sugru like
slightly dried-out Shoe Goo? I find that a tube of Shoe Goo
dries out a bit after a few years and becomes a more easily worked
substance.
I've never heard of this Shoe Goo stuff before, so I can't comment on
a direct comparison.
I've used a differently-branded Sugru alternative, though. It's not an
adhesive and it's not sticky. It's like Plasticine or other modelling
clay -- a smooth, non-tacky, very viscous colloidal gel, which can be
moulded and shaped. It only adheres to things by virtue of being
moulded onto and around them; if you need to, say, stick it to a flat
surface, you'd have to glue it on.
But when it sets, it goes hard - like a hard rubber. You can make a
small mark with a fingernail but this will eventually smooth out. It's
no more pliable than a piece of truck tyre when cured.
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26 Jan
7:51 a.m.
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On Jan 26, 2015, at 2:48 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 25 January 2015 at 00:04, John Foust <jfoust at
threedee.com> wrote:
I haven't ever played with official Sugru,
but how does it differ
from ordinary relatively inexpensive Shoe Goo? Is Sugru like
slightly dried-out Shoe Goo? I find that a tube of Shoe Goo
dries out a bit after a few years and becomes a more easily worked
substance.
I've never heard of this Shoe Goo stuff before, so I can't comment on
a direct comparison.
I've used a differently-branded Sugru alternative, though. It's not an
adhesive and it's not sticky. It's like Plasticine or other modelling
clay -- a smooth, non-tacky, very viscous colloidal gel, which can be
moulded and shaped. It only adheres to things by virtue of being
moulded onto and around them; if you need to, say, stick it to a flat
surface, you'd have to glue it on.
But when it sets, it goes hard - like a hard rubber. You can make a
small mark with a fingernail but this will eventually smooth out. It's
no more pliable than a piece of truck tyre when cured.
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7:30 p.m.
On 01/25/2015 11:48 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
I've used a differently-branded Sugru alternative,
though. It's not an
adhesive and it's not sticky. It's like Plasticine or other modelling
clay -- a smooth, non-tacky, very viscous colloidal gel, which can be
moulded and shaped. It only adheres to things by virtue of being
moulded onto and around them; if you need to, say, stick it to a flat
surface, you'd have to glue it on.
But when it sets, it goes hard - like a hard rubber. You can make a
small mark with a fingernail but this will eventually smooth out. It's
no more pliable than a piece of truck tyre when cured.
Can you fabricate rubber parts, such as pinch rollers with the
stuff--and do they work?
--Chuck
8 p.m.
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 01/26/2015 11:44 AM, Ali wrote:
Chuck, you might want to find someone that's got a 3D printer near you and
has experience with a flexible filament called NinjaFlex. If you can't
find anyone, let me know and I'll pick up a spool and give it a shot.
g.
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Can you
fabricate rubber parts, such as pinch rollers with the stuff--
and do they work?
Are you thinking of making capstans out of it?
Yeah, pretty much.
8:09 p.m.
Hey that is a good idea :) Man these 3d printers are so awesome!
Its getting to the point where, one could 3d print anything.
Don?t quote me on this, but i think Jay Leno, One of his mechanics 3D prints up working
car parts that are not made any more of for some of those 100 year old cars he has.
http://www.3ders.org/articles/20120514-jay-leno-uses-3d-scanner-and-3d-prin…
a flexible filament called NinjaFlex. If you can't find anyone, let me know and
I'll pick up a spool and give it a shot.
g.
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8:16 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
Hey that is a good idea :) Man these 3d printers are
so awesome!
Its getting to the point where, one could 3d print anything.
Yes, 3D printers are very cool especially with this hobby. The problem, at
least for someone like me, is that I can't design the items that need to be
printed. For example, the capstan would be about as far as I could go
assuming I had measurements from a "good one" since it is just a cylinder.
What would be needed is an easy to use/store/search file format and database
where people with talent could put in the "parts" you could print at home or
local store. Of course then you have to worry about copyright infringement.
-Ali
8:34 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Ali wrote:
I'd be happy to help with part design if you need it.
g.
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Hey that is a
good idea :) Man these 3d printers are so awesome!
Its getting to the point where, one could 3d print anything.
Yes, 3D printers are very cool especially with this hobby. The problem, at
least for someone like me, is that I can't design the items that need to be
printed. For example, the capstan would be about as far as I could go
assuming I had measurements from a "good one" since it is just a cylinder.
What would be needed is an easy to use/store/search file format and database
where people with talent could put in the "parts" you could print at home or
local store. Of course then you have to worry about copyright infringement.
8:46 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
On 26 January 2015 at 15:34, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
>> Hey that is a good idea :) Man these 3d
printers are so awesome!
>> Its getting to the point where, one could 3d print anything.
>
3D Printing is "the shit" as some people I know have said. I fully
agree, 3D printing really is awesome.
My university's library actually installed a 3D printer for use by
anyone at the university, for free. It's pretty damned cool (and I'll
have to make use of it some time.)
I'd be happy to help with part design if you need
it.
Part of my degree involves taking a drafting and modelling course
(hello anyone who uses SolidWorks regularly), I'll chip in and offer
to make some models and designs, though I'll admit I'm not that great
at it yet.
Cheers,
Christian
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27 Jan
27 Jan
8:39 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
I'd be happy to help with part design if you need
it.
Thanks for the offer. I may take you up on it next time I break something.
:)
However, if you want to design something for the heck of it and would be
popular with the IBM PC crowd I'd recommend the disk drive access covers.
These were bits of plastic with a handle and would fit into the original
5150/5160/5161/5162 case to prevent dust being sucked in to the disk drives.
For some reason they sell for crazy amounts on eBay. You could be doing a
service to humanity if you could design a replica! Or make a fortune just
selling the replicas! ;)
9:16 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
On Tue, 27 Jan 2015, Ali wrote:
However, if you want to design something for the heck
of it and would be
popular with the IBM PC crowd I'd recommend the disk drive access covers.
These were bits of plastic with a handle and would fit into the original
5150/5160/5161/5162 case to prevent dust being sucked in to the disk drives.
For some reason they sell for crazy amounts on eBay. You could be doing a
service to humanity if you could design a replica! Or make a fortune just
selling the replicas! ;)
Got a photo of it? I've never seen one.
g.
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9:41 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
Got a photo of it? I've never seen one.
Here is an auction that closed a few weeks ago:
www.ebay.com/itm/331434499398.
-Ali
9:52 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
On Tue, 27 Jan 2015, Ali wrote:
Ahh, ok. How does it stay put? Magnets?
Something like that is more suited to laser cut acrylic with a handle
added.
g.
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Got a photo of it? I've never seen one.
Here is an auction that closed a few weeks ago:
www.ebay.com/itm/331434499398.
10:14 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
Ahh, ok. How does it stay put? Magnets?
Something like that is more suited to laser cut acrylic with a handle
added.
No, it's just a tight fit. I think the originals are molded plastic as the
handle and the plate seem to be one piece.
-Ali
10:31 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
On Tue, 27 Jan 2015, Ali wrote:
Ok. Still, something like that could be banged out pretty quick
especially considering how low the volume would be. :)
g.
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Ahh, ok. How
does it stay put? Magnets?
Something like that is more suited to laser cut acrylic with a handle
added.
No, it's just a tight fit. I think the originals are molded plastic as the
handle and the plate seem to be one piece.
26 Jan
26 Jan
8:48 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
There's http://www.thingiverse.com (how about a 1/9th scale Apple ][+?
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3823 )
I think though, that it is well worth the efforts to learn something like
Blender (
http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Modeling/PrintT…).
Plus you can actually do everything from the command line in python (I do
everything with it these days) if you want. Gears of any size, including
worm gears? There's a script for that. In fact, I'm about to go and talk
and demo precisely that at Wake Forest University in a few hours.
Francois
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On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Ali <cctalk at fahimi.net> wrote:
Hey that is a
good idea :) Man these 3d printers are so awesome!
Its getting to the point where, one could 3d print anything.
Yes, 3D printers are very cool especially with this hobby. The problem, at
least for someone like me, is that I can't design the items that need to be
printed. For example, the capstan would be about as far as I could go
assuming I had measurements from a "good one" since it is just a cylinder.
What would be needed is an easy to use/store/search file format and
database
where people with talent could put in the "parts" you could print at home
or
local store. Of course then you have to worry about copyright infringement.
-Ali
8:55 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
I've also used OpenSCAD, since you can write 'programs' to generate precise
dimensions.
Norm
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Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 12:48:55 PM
Subject: Re: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
There's http://www.thingiverse.com (how about a 1/9th scale Apple ][+?
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3823 )
I think though, that it is well worth the efforts to learn something like
Blender (
http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Modeling/PrintT…).
Plus you can actually do everything from the command line in python (I do
everything with it these days) if you want. Gears of any size, including
worm gears? There's a script for that. In fact, I'm about to go and talk
and demo precisely that at Wake Forest University in a few hours.
Francois
--
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On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Ali <cctalk at fahimi.net> wrote:
Hey that is a
good idea :) Man these 3d printers are so awesome!
Its getting to the point where, one could 3d print anything.
Yes, 3D printers are very cool especially with this hobby. The problem, at
least for someone like me, is that I can't design the items that need to be
printed. For example, the capstan would be about as far as I could go
assuming I had measurements from a "good one" since it is just a cylinder.
What would be needed is an easy to use/store/search file format and
database
where people with talent could put in the "parts" you could print at home
or
local store. Of course then you have to worry about copyright infringement.
-Ali
8:58 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Francois Dion wrote:
There's http://www.thingiverse.com (how about a
1/9th scale Apple ][+?
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3823 )
I would suggest Repables (http://www.repables.com) - primarily because
it's in no way associated with TakerBot.
I think though, that it is well worth the efforts to
learn something like
Blender (
http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Modeling/PrintT…).
Plus you can actually do everything from the command line in python (I do
everything with it these days) if you want. Gears of any size, including
worm gears? There's a script for that. In fact, I'm about to go and talk
and demo precisely that at Wake Forest University in a few hours.
I wouldn't recommend Blender for use as a CAD tool unless I really hated
the person I was recommending it to. :)
g.
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9:05 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
Any other that has an extensive python script library?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:58 PM, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Francois Dion wrote:
There's http://www.thingiverse.com (how about a 1/9th scale Apple ][+?
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3823 )
I would suggest Repables (http://www.repables.com) - primarily because
it's
in no way associated with TakerBot.
I think though, that it is well worth the efforts to learn something like
Blender (
http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/
Modeling/PrintToolbox).
Plus you can actually do everything from the command line in python (I do
everything with it these days) if you want. Gears of any size, including
worm gears? There's a script for that. In fact, I'm about to go and talk
and demo precisely that at Wake Forest University in a few hours.
I wouldn't recommend Blender for use as a CAD tool unless I really hated
the
person I was recommending it to. :)
g.
--
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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9:16 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Francois Dion wrote:
Any other that has an extensive python script
library?
That's irrelevant. Blender is not a CAD tool. It can do CAD-ish things,
but I'd no sooner use Blender for CAD than I would use a clam shovel for
digging a ditch.
g.
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Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
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27 Jan
27 Jan
6:12 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
enter shapeways.com and thingyverse.com
and for modeling I use openscad. you do not draw, you program and add or
substract cubes, spheres, cylinders, etc. and because it is procedural,
you can nest and reuse parts of models.
and if you print with ABS, you can polish the result.
On 26-01-15 21:16, Ali wrote:
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Hey that is a
good idea :) Man these 3d printers are so awesome!
Its getting to the point where, one could 3d print anything.
Yes, 3D printers are very cool especially with this hobby. The problem, at
least for someone like me, is that I can't design the items that need to be
printed. For example, the capstan would be about as far as I could go
assuming I had measurements from a "good one" since it is just a cylinder.
What would be needed is an easy to use/store/search file format and database
where people with talent could put in the "parts" you could print at home or
local store. Of course then you have to worry about copyright infringement.
-Ali
8:39 p.m.
New subject: 3D Printing WAS: RE: Sugru (moldable rubber) for ???
enter shapeways.com and thingyverse.com
Yes, but if you actually do a search there isn't much there. Although, I admit
shapeways did have a number of IBM keyboard parts for purchase. Again, to me this is still
in its infancy. Ideally, in some other awesome universe, I will type in a part number from
an IBM, Compaq, G2K, etc. and get the part I need to print and paint at home. Will it ever
get there, I have no idea. But I can dream.
-Ali
26 Jan
26 Jan
8:33 p.m.
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Charles wrote:
Hey that is a good idea :) Man these 3d printers are
so awesome!
Its getting to the point where, one could 3d print anything.
Don?t quote me on this, but i think Jay Leno, One of his mechanics 3D prints up working
car parts that are not made any more of for some of those 100 year old cars he has.
http://www.3ders.org/articles/20120514-jay-leno-uses-3d-scanner-and-3d-prin…
A couple of weeks ago I printed the elevator bellcrank for a Spitfire (the
fighter) as a test. They need to fix some issues with the model, but it
will be reprinted 2% larger and will be used to cast an aluminum
replacement for a restoration.
When the job was done: http://www.geneb.org/spitfire/bellcrank-done.jpg
After the support was removed:
http://www.geneb.org/spitfire/bellcrank-1.jpg (Change the 1 to 2 through 5
to see the other photos.)
I've also printed a replacement platen knob for an ASR-33 for a group
member. :)
g.
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10:42 p.m.
On 01/26/2015 12:00 PM, geneb wrote:
Chuck, you might want to find someone that's got a
3D printer near you
and has experience with a flexible filament called NinjaFlex. If you
can't find anyone, let me know and I'll pick up a spool and give it a shot.
Maybe, but here's the thing: "flexible" doesn't mean that material is
suitable. If you take my example of a capstan, one property that's
required is a sufficient amount of "grippiness" (there's probably an
engineering term for it).
So, for example, polyethylene is quite soft in some forms, but is
totally "un-grippy". Some stuff that's grippy isn't hard enough (I
think that's the durometer rating), e.g. most silicone elastomers.
Neoprene is obviously the ideal stuff for this; I'm wondering if this
Sugru material has the desired characteristics. As far as I know, one
can't 3D print neoprene.
--Chuck
27 Jan
27 Jan
6:48 p.m.
On 01/26/2015 02:42 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Maybe, but here's the thing: "flexible"
doesn't mean that material is
suitable. If you take my example of a capstan, one property that's
required is a sufficient amount of "grippiness" (there's probably an
engineering term for it).
The engineering term seems to be "surface friction" or something like
it. It's what table tennis pros need on their paddles to control the
ball--and why the rubber facing is replaced frequently.
I marvel at the things you can learn on teh Internets.
--Chuck
29 Jan
29 Jan
3:23 p.m.
At 02:00 PM 1/26/2015, geneb wrote:
Chuck, you might want to find someone that's got a
3D printer near you and has experience with a flexible filament called NinjaFlex. If you
can't find anyone, let me know and I'll pick up a spool and give it a shot.
I have a 3D printer - a Flashforge Creator. Haven't tried the NinjaFlex yet.
I think I've seen "Shoe Goo" sold as "Amazing Goo" or maybe they
were
clones of each other. Available at Walmart. Yes, it's sticky when
fresh, like silicone caulk. As it sits in the tube for a while, it
seems to harden, becomes less obviously wet and more like tacky. You can
get the same effect by just letting a bit dry.
How are/were capstans made in the first place? Thermoset rubber in molds by
the thousand? Isn't there a hobbyist approach for that?
- John
26 Jan
26 Jan
10:37 p.m.
On 26 January 2015 at 20:30, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
Can you fabricate rubber parts, such as pinch rollers
with the stuff--and do
they work?
I've certainly not tried anything that fancy.
By hand, no, not unless you're Michelangelo reborn.
If you can make up some kind of mould, probably, but smoothness &
symmetry might be problematic.
I'd pursue the 3D printer idea, I think, IIWY. :-)
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