13 Mar
2003
13 Mar
'03
9:12 p.m.
Please forgive me if this is Off Topic...
I have a 1 gig drive in a 486. The BIOS sees the whole 1.2 gig (wd
caviar 21200)
and I have set the parameters from the plate on the drive into the
bios...
But FDISK insists that the drive is only 504 MB. Who ate half of my
disk drive??
can I get it back?
how?
I have tried to create secondary partitions but "no disk space remains"
Thanks.
ron.
13 Mar
13 Mar
10:19 p.m.
This is pretty typical of MS-DOS; it has a 504Mb limit. There are a number
of "disk managers" available that (typically) boot up before DOS, and fool
it. One popular tool was "ontrack", which many mfrs supplied customised
for just their own drives.
There are a number of tools linked from
here: http://www.vobis.de/bbs/firmen/wd/hrddrive/
I've used ezdrive9 in the past with WD discs with success.
(Worst episode of this fault I rememeber was using a caching IDE controller
[expansion board with own memory] which reported a 1Gb disc, but wrapped
around at 504Mb - overwriting the boot sectors and root directory as we
wrote the 505th Mb...)
regards
Rob.
At 00:09 14/03/2003 -0800, Ron Hudson wrote:
Please forgive me if this is Off Topic...
I have a 1 gig drive in a 486. The BIOS sees the whole 1.2 gig (wd caviar
21200)
and I have set the parameters from the plate on the drive into the bios...
But FDISK insists that the drive is only 504 MB. Who ate half of my disk
drive??
can I get it back?
how?
I have tried to create secondary partitions but "no disk space remains"
Thanks.
ron.
14 Mar
14 Mar
2:46 a.m.
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 03:15, Rob O'Donnell wrote:
This is pretty typical of MS-DOS; it has a 504Mb
limit. There are a number
of "disk managers" available that (typically) boot up before DOS, and fool
it. One popular tool was "ontrack", which many mfrs supplied customised
for just their own drives.
MS-DOS 6.22 will support drives upto 8.4gb, I don't know about any prior
versions though. Usually the BIOS that causes the 512MB limit in my
experience, so you may want to look into a bios upgrade.
Freedos http://www.freedos.org/ will support drives upto 128GB and is
mostly MS-DOS 6.22 compatible.
There are a number of tools linked from
here: http://www.vobis.de/bbs/firmen/wd/hrddrive/
I've used ezdrive9 in the past with WD discs with success.
Same here because the bios did not support my 850MB disk and ezdrive
came with the drive.
Regards,
Paul
7:04 a.m.
yup, that's got it
Thanks lots.
504mb would have probably been fine for DOS, but I paid for 1.2gb -now
I have 1.2gb
: ^ )
ron
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On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 01:15 AM, Rob O'Donnell wrote:
This is pretty typical of MS-DOS; it has a 504Mb
limit. There are a
number of "disk managers" available that (typically) boot up before
DOS, and fool it. One popular tool was "ontrack", which many mfrs
supplied customised for just their own drives.
There are a number of tools linked from here:
http://www.vobis.de/bbs/firmen/wd/hrddrive/
I've used ezdrive9 in the past with WD discs with success.
8:57 a.m.
New subject: MS DOS and disk drives
This is pretty typical of MS-DOS; it has a 504Mb
limit. There are a number
The 504M limit is BIOS, NOT MS-DOS.
But MS-DOS before version 3.31 had a 32M limit.
But the 32M limit did not apply to the network redirector. Therefore, to
handle CD-ROMs (3.10 and above), MICROS~1 provided MSCDEX.EXE, which made
the CD-ROM look like a network drive. Try a CHKDSK of a CD-ROM on MS-DOS
3.10 through 6.22 - it will say: "Cannot CHDSK a network drive"
(Worst episode of this fault I rememeber was using a
caching IDE controller
[expansion board with own memory] which reported a 1Gb disc, but wrapped
around at 504Mb - overwriting the boot sectors and root directory as we
wrote the 505th Mb...)
As easy as bashing MICROS~1 is, we can't blame the OS for BIOS or hardware
faults.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
10:27 a.m.
New subject: MS DOS and disk drives
Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
Therefore, to handle CD-ROMs (3.10 and above),
MICROS~1 provided
MSCDEX.EXE, which made the CD-ROM look like a network drive. Try a
CHKDSK of a CD-ROM on MS-DOS
3.10 through 6.22 - it will say: "Cannot CHDSK a network drive"
I must
remember to try that sometime. :-)
As easy as bashing MICROS~1 is, we can't blame the
OS for BIOS or
hardware faults.
"MicroSoft? Is that some kind of toilet paper?" - IIRC
that came from the
Mandrake Linux installer. Hmm... Now we know what MandrakeSoft thinks of
Microsoft. But then again, the same joke can be rephrased as "MandrakeSoft?
Is that some kind of toilet paper"... The mind boggles...
Just getting the OT crud out of my head for today...
Later.
--
Phil.
philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com
http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/
8:08 p.m.
New subject: MS DOS and disk drives
Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
Just so long as we all do whatever it takes to make
Bill Gates
into a millionaire.
I'm *TRYING* to get rid of Windows, dammit, but Outlook is
holding my e-mail
to ransom... I actually prefer to use either Pegasus Mail or Mozilla. But
the rest of the family wants to use Outlook...
Later.
--
Phil.
philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com
http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/
10:36 p.m.
New subject: MS DOS and disk drives
At 07:07 15/03/2003 +0000, Philip Pemberton wrote:
I'm *TRYING* to get rid of Windows, dammit, but
Outlook is holding my e-mail
to ransom... I actually prefer to use either Pegasus Mail or Mozilla. But
the rest of the family wants to use Outlook...
Have you tried evolution ? It looks very like outlook..
Ta all for the correction on 504Mb limit in bios not msdos - I knew that,
but got it wrong. I just blame my memory and it being a good few years
since I last hit that problem.
7:30 a.m.
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
Please forgive me if this is Off Topic...
I have a 1 gig drive in a 486. The BIOS sees the whole 1.2 gig (wd
caviar 21200)
the BIOS (disk I/O) or the CMOS setup program?
and I have set the parameters from the plate on the
drive into the
bios...
CMOS
But FDISK insists that the drive is only 504 MB. Who
ate half of my
disk drive??
WHICH version of MS-DOS?
can I get it back?
yes
how?
I have tried to create secondary partitions but "no disk space remains"
Is your controller "EIDE"?
10:19 a.m.
On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 10:27 AM, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
6.2.2
um, stumped here.
It's an ISA card and also has serial and parallel, game port and floppy
connectors on it.
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
CMOS setup program... (press del as the machine boots)
Please forgive me if this is Off Topic...
I have a 1 gig drive in a 486. The BIOS sees the whole 1.2 gig (wd
caviar 21200)
the BIOS (disk I/O) or the CMOS setup program? and I have set the parameters from the plate on
the drive into the
bios...
CMOS
But FDISK insists that the drive is only 504 MB.
Who ate half of my
disk drive??
WHICH version of MS-DOS? can I get it back?
yes
how?
I have tried to create secondary partitions but "no disk space
remains"
Is your controller "EIDE"?
5:05 p.m.
New subject: conservation diffculties w/ classic 'puters.
While I was browsing via /. , I came across this link:
http://www.science.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/rampspoed.html
Words doesn't express well, photos did what everybody on this list
had talked about before.
If you have more photos like this, provide an url for them.
Cheers,
Wizard
6:18 p.m.
Make sure your BIOS supports LBA mode. Else use a drive overlay,
which can also be a source of problems later.
At 12:09 AM 3/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
Please forgive me if this is Off Topic...
I have a 1 gig drive in a 486. The BIOS sees the whole 1.2 gig (wd caviar
21200)
and I have set the parameters from the plate on the drive into the bios...
But FDISK insists that the drive is only 504 MB. Who ate half of my disk
drive??
can I get it back?
how?
I have tried to create secondary partitions but "no disk space remains"
Thanks.
ron.
16 Mar
16 Mar
7:26 p.m.
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
Please forgive me if this is Off Topic...
I have a 1 gig drive in a 486. The BIOS sees the whole 1.2 gig (wd
caviar 21200)
and I have set the parameters from the plate on the drive into the
bios...
But FDISK insists that the drive is only 504 MB. Who ate half of my
disk drive??
Some BIOSen will only address 1024 cylinders, even if they "see" more.
OnTrack, Drive Rocket, EZDrive, any of the drive overlay programs will
get around that.
--
Doc Shipley (( And when thou hack'st her box, thou shalt
Austin, Texas )) lay that pipe with exceeding great vigour,
(( yea, even unto the screaming and clawing
doc(a)vaxen.net )) and biting. -- Cantrell
17 Mar
17 Mar
4:36 a.m.
EZDrive is working well. Thanks all : ^ )
On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 08:58 AM, Doc Shipley wrote:
Some BIOSen will only address 1024 cylinders, even
if they "see"
more.
OnTrack, Drive Rocket, EZDrive, any of the drive overlay programs will
get around that.
--
Doc Shipley (( And when thou hack'st her box, thou shalt
Austin, Texas )) lay that pipe with exceeding great vigour,
(( yea, even unto the screaming and clawing
doc(a)vaxen.net )) and biting. -- Cantrell
19 Mar
19 Mar
5:35 a.m.
Yeah, I'm a little to this thread, but...
I have (for sale/trade) 3 of the SIIG EIDE BIOSAdapter ISA cards. They
work with the existing IDE controller to break the 528MB partition
limits. It also directly supports drives up to 8.4GB. I've used the card
before, and it works pretty good....
Ron Hudson wrote:
EZDrive is working well. Thanks all : ^ )
On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 08:58 AM, Doc Shipley wrote:
> Some BIOSen will only address 1024 cylinders, even if they "see"
> more.
> OnTrack, Drive Rocket, EZDrive, any of the drive overlay programs will
> get around that.
--
---Dave Woyciesjes
---ICQ# 905818
5:40 a.m.
David Woyciesjes wrote:
Yeah, I'm a little to this thread, but...
I have (for sale/trade) 3 of the SIIG EIDE BIOSAdapter ISA cards. They
work with the existing IDE controller to break the 528MB partition
limits. It also directly supports drives up to 8.4GB. I've used the card
before, and it works pretty good....
Oh, and I forgot to mention... It's all done in the hardware. No disk
manager needed. Which is nice, since I hate OnTrack, it makes moving the
HDD to another PC a bit of a pain...
Ron Hudson wrote:
--
---Dave Woyciesjes
---ICQ# 905818
EZDrive is working well. Thanks all : ^ )
On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 08:58 AM, Doc Shipley wrote:
> Some BIOSen will only address 1024 cylinders, even if they "see"
> more.
> OnTrack, Drive Rocket, EZDrive, any of the drive overlay programs will
> get around that.
--
---Dave Woyciesjes
---ICQ# 905818
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