1 Jan
2007
1 Jan
'07
9:12 p.m.
Yeah, no kidding--someone game me a Mac 6100/60. Not very exciting,
but I've upgraded the memory to 40 MB and added a 4GB hard disk from
parts in my hellbox.
So, does anyone have any first-hand experience with Linux on one of
these critters? Is it worth the installation trouble?
Cheers,
Chuck
1 Jan
1 Jan
9:16 p.m.
Yeah, no kidding--someone game me a Mac 6100/60. Not
very exciting,
but I've upgraded the memory to 40 MB and added a 4GB hard disk from
parts in my hellbox.
I am so proud of you. You have made the first, best step. ;)
So, does anyone have any first-hand experience with
Linux on one of
these critters? Is it worth the installation trouble?
I've only messed with mkLinux on NuBus Power Macs and IMHO it was not
worth it. However, there are certainly other alternatives for NuBus
kernels, including a port of Linux/PPC (look at
http://nubus-pmac.sourceforge.net/
). What were you considering?
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9:22 p.m.
On 1 Jan 2007 at 21:16, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
). What were you considering?
Nothing in particular--just fooling with the box a bit and shelving
it until a special need arises. The OS 8 interface isn't
particularly exciting, particularly with MS Word and IE 4 for Mac. I
miss a good command-line interface and development tools. Hence, the
query about Linux.
Cheers,
Chuck
9:42 p.m.
What were you
considering?
Nothing in particular--just fooling with the box a bit and shelving
it until a special need arises. 
2 Jan
2 Jan
9:51 a.m.
At 11:42 PM 1/1/2007, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Well, let me put it this way -- my 7100 (the one I
attempted mkLinux on)
is now banished to OS 9 and acting as an AppleTalk server for the old Macs
that have trouble speaking to the Panther file server.
I fired up my 7200 the other day. I wanted to try to recover an old floppy
from a client who claimed it had some Illustrator
artwork on it. The disk
had the 'HD' (CH) logo but I couldn't read it
in either of two HD Mac drives
of that era.
What floppy disk recovery / probing tools might I use to see
if I can recover the artwork?
My old IIci wouldn't boot when I took it from storage, with or
without its PPC add-on card. I even tried booting it with the 7200's
drive. Just a question-mark disk icon.
A few weeks before, I'd tried to read an old Amiga drive from the same era.
No go. Both drives were old Quantum 80s. Are these known to decay in
a certain way?
- John
10:13 a.m.
I fired up my 7200 the other day. I wanted to try to
recover an old floppy
from a client who claimed it had some Illustrator artwork on it. The disk
had the 'HD' (CH) logo but I couldn't read it in either of two HD Mac drives
of that era.
What floppy disk recovery / probing tools might I use to see
if I can recover the artwork?
Does it pop up saying the disk needs to be initialized? Are you sure it's
HFS?
An HFS+ floppy will not be readable in Macs running 8.0 or earlier, and
obviously a FAT floppy requires PC File Exchange.
Otherwise you might see if Disk Copy can at least image it, and then look
at whatever image it spits back out.
My old IIci wouldn't boot when I took it from
storage, with or
without its PPC add-on card. I even tried booting it with the 7200's
drive. Just a question-mark disk icon.
I'm not surprised the IIci wouldn't boot the 7200's drive. I imagine the
HD driver is not compatible.
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10:31 a.m.
At 12:13 PM 1/2/2007, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Does it pop up saying the disk needs to be initialized?
Are you sure it's
HFS?
No, the client knows next to nothing about it. Yes, after I insert
the disk, it waits what seems like several minutes, then says
it wants to initialize it.
An HFS+ floppy will not be readable in Macs running 8.0
or earlier, and
obviously a FAT floppy requires PC File Exchange.
Yes, I tried reading it on a PC. No luck.
I'm not surprised the IIci wouldn't boot the
7200's drive. I imagine the
HD driver is not compatible.
And the symptom of that would be what? Incompatible in hardware,
or that there wasn't a 68000-capable HD driver still in System?
- John
12:36 p.m.
Does it pop up
saying the disk needs to be initialized? Are you sure it's
HFS?
No, the client knows next to nothing about it. Yes, after I insert
the disk, it waits what seems like several minutes, then says
it wants to initialize it. I'm not
surprised the IIci wouldn't boot the 7200's drive. I imagine the
HD driver is not compatible.
And the symptom of that would be what? Incompatible in hardware,
or that there wasn't a 68000-capable HD driver still in System?
7:56 p.m.
At 02:36 PM 1/2/2007, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
I'd let Disk Copy take a whack at it then. Make
sure Disk Copy is running
before you insert the disk. At least you'd be able to look at the raw
image in a hex editor and see if it looks halfway sensible.
Disk Copy 4.2 ("Apple 3.5" Disk Duplicator") waits a while, then
ejects the floppy. Disk First Aid would hang for a while, declare
it to have a volume name of two squares, then it would say it
couldn't read it.
Hiding the HD hole didn't make a difference... in fact, these programs
(as well as the Desktop) almost immediately ejected it.
I have newer disk recovery tools, not so much older ones. I think what
I really need is a USB low/high density external floppy for a
contemporary Mac. I tried a generic USB floppy. Of course it
didn't work because it wasn't blessed by Apple. And should I
expect a contemporary USB Mac floppy to handle the older lower
densities?
- John
8:15 p.m.
I have newer disk recovery tools, not so much older
ones. I think what
I really need is a USB low/high density external floppy for a
contemporary Mac. I tried a generic USB floppy. Of course it
didn't work because it wasn't blessed by Apple. And should I
expect a contemporary USB Mac floppy to handle the older lower
densities?
Do such animals exist? I have a "non blessed" USB floppy and it works on
my G5, but only for HD disks.
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1 Jan
1 Jan
11:01 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: My first Mac
On 1 Jan 2007 at 21:16, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Linux is not a very good option for pre PCI PPC Macs, which the 6100 would
fall under.
OS 8.1 is a decent (but not exciting) OS, but the whole point should be to
experience the apps on the Mac and no stare at the OS all day. If I want a
CLI interface I would power up my AWS 95 with A/UX 3.1.
). What were you considering?
Nothing in particular--just fooling with the box a bit and shelving
it until a special need arises. The OS 8 interface isn't
particularly exciting, particularly with MS Word and IE 4 for Mac. I
miss a good command-line interface and development tools. Hence, the
query about Linux.
Cheers,
Chuck 
11:06 p.m.
On Tuesday 02 January 2007 00:12, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Yeah, no kidding--someone game me a Mac 6100/60. Not
very exciting,
but I've upgraded the memory to 40 MB and added a 4GB hard disk from
parts in my hellbox.
So, does anyone have any first-hand experience with Linux on one of
these critters? Is it worth the installation trouble?
I ran a 6100/60 with a NuBus ethernet card in the PDS slot (with the
appropriate PDS->nubus adapter) using Debian with some old mklinux
kernel, as a NATing firewall with good success, a few years ago.
Support for newer kernels is pretty much non-existant (I'm not sure if
they support past 2.2; I know they don't go past 2.4 kernels), so you'd
have to go with an appropriately vintage Linux distribution.
Pat
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2 Jan
2 Jan
12:33 a.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Yeah, no kidding--someone game me a Mac 6100/60. Not
very exciting,
but I've upgraded the memory to 40 MB and added a 4GB hard disk from
parts in my hellbox.
So, does anyone have any first-hand experience with Linux on one of
these critters? Is it worth the installation trouble?
I vote with Mr. Kaiser - MacOS is going to be the most useful and
least painful option on a 6100. If you want Linux or <mumble>BSD, the
6100/60 is a *really* bad fit. There will be P-II and P-III PeeCees
lining the curbs for the next 2 weeks. They'll be faster and less hell.
Besides, if you run MacOS, there's an astounding array of goodies to
stick in that expansion slot, including a G3 upgrade. There's one at
the Goodwill here (untested) for about $25, IIRC. Remember the V8
Vegas? :^)
If you're interested in a Unix-able Macintosh, a Blue & White G3 is a
really nice box. They can be had for $30-50 if you lurk a bit, and
they're *fast*.
Doc
2:19 a.m.
On 1/2/07, Doc Shipley <doc at mdrconsult.com> wrote:
If you're interested in a Unix-able Macintosh,
a Blue & White G3 is a
really nice box. They can be had for $30-50 if you lurk a bit, and
they're *fast*.
If anyone knows where I can get just the case for one of those cheaper
than the whole machine, I'd be interested. I have all the guts for
one, but no box. Yes, I can make it work in an ATX case of most
flavors, but the real case is so much more attractive than a beige
box.
FWIW, I did get OS X 10.3 working on it, so I know it'll do UNIX.
-ethan
3:43 a.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
On 1/2/07, Doc Shipley <doc at mdrconsult.com>
wrote:
Local freecycle list? (assuming you're not at the pole right now :-) It
wouldn't surprise me if there are people who have migrated hard disk / memory
to later systems and don't know what to do with the leftovers...
If you're interested in a Unix-able
Macintosh, a Blue & White G3 is a
really nice box. They can be had for $30-50 if you lurk a bit, and
they're *fast*.
If anyone knows where I can get just the case for one of those cheaper
than the whole machine, I'd be interested.
8:28 a.m.
On 1/2/07, Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Ethan Dicks wrote:
Excellent plan. Also, we have a "FreeGeek" organization (
http://freegeekcolumbus.org/ ) down the street from my house - I was
planning on volunteering with them once I get settled in at home.
They are mostly engaged in recycling Intel boxes for re-donation, so
I'd imagine a trickle of Apple machines passing through with no
obvious disposition.
On 1/2/07, Doc Shipley <doc at
mdrconsult.com> wrote:
Local freecycle list? If you're interested in a Unix-able
Macintosh, a Blue & White G3 is a
really nice box...
If anyone knows where I can get just the case for one of those cheaper
than the whole machine, I'd be interested. (assuming you're not at the pole right now :-)
Nope... made it back to Columbus a few days ago. The Southern
Hemisphere was great, and my query to the list did result in meeting
one of the list members and getting a tour of interesting stuff and
storage facilities in the Sydney area ;-)
wouldn't surprise me if there are people who have
migrated hard disk / memory
to later systems and don't know what to do with the leftovers...
Indeed. Really, though, what I was kinda after was a box from a B&W
G3 that had the PSU crap out or the hard drives die and left for dead.
Turns out the motherboard I have is of the right rev to work with an
ATX PSU with one pin removed (-5VDC on the ATX maps to, of all things,
a ground pin on the G3 board, a situation caught by the crowbar
circuit of a decent power supply - pop that pin and, voila, a working
G3).
-ethan
8:13 a.m.
Okay, I'll play with the thing and then stash it away rather than try
to squeeze a copy of Linux onto it. This is a university town and,
so G3's aren't hard to come by cheap if the urge should ever hit me
again. I was mostly curious and was offered the thing free gratis.
Besides, I'd probably have to BUY an AAUI-to-RJ45 ethernet adapter
and that would defeat the whole "free is good" notion. :)
Cheers,
Chuck
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