Rumor has it that Ethan Dicks may have mentioned these words: I've seen one in captivity! Saw one at a car dealership - they deal with both GM & Chrysler products, I *think* it was used on the Chrysler end o'things... Since then I found a website that had 'em for sale... I think around $220 to $250 USD each, but they had 'em. Google is your friend here... ;-) Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers _??_ zmerch at 30below.com (?||?) If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead _)(_ disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.