<dollars or drive hundreds (thousands) of miles in a rented truck (unless <you can fit a PDP-11 in the trunk of a Honda Civic) to pick stuff up. I've loaded an 11/23 with rx02 drives sans rack into one easily. A DG mini in one of the smaller boxes would fit. Keep in mind most of the minis the basic CPU box is rack width (nom 19"wide x 30"deep) and usually under 11" tall. Most 11/23s are in ba11N or S boxes that are 5-1/2" tall. An RL02 at 70pounds is rack width/depth and under 11" tall. The cak however can be bigger. I could easily fit a 11/23 or ther Q-bus pdp-11/rlo2/rx02 in any midsize trunk they arent that big. Also some of the short racks (30", 40", 50") fit in rooms easily. They are more than large enough to contain a PDP-11 or nova or several depending o disks and CPU boxes. I'd jump on a Front pannel nova but I can't swing the shipping unless I can keep it under 20$. Even thoug DG is only a few miles from here I've never played with their hardware. Allison