On Apr 8, 2005 10:57 PM, Saquinn624 at aol.com <Saquinn624 at aol.com> wrote: I thought about that, but I was worried about long-term mechanical stability, and vertical clearance (with Sbus cards). I do not know what is used in the Indy, etc.; this one was out of a Compaq SLT/286. I didn't have a replacement, and when I got a sample of the modern part (DS12C887?), I noted several compatiblity warnings. I opted instead, to recycle a DS1287 from another board that wasn't quite dead yet. That's what's in the SLT at the moment. As for the surgery, when I had nothing to lose, I started dismantling the top of the DS chip... it seems that several of the pins that are not present at the bottom are in fact bent 180 degrees to the ordinary orientation, and are present at the top. I carved away the epoxy until I could tear out the cores of the old batteries (this was exploratory surgery after all). I eventually discovered where the battery leads are (around pins 5-8, IIRC), and could probably just detach the cells from the chip in the future, rather than have to do deep excavation and extraction. I now have a single DS1287 with much of the top half excised, and with a 9V battery lead soldered in place with the same polarity as my 48T02 experiment. I think it might take 20-30 min to carefully repeat the procedure with only enough hacking as to expose the leads enough to sever them and attach a pair of wires. At some point, I want to get some pictures, but there are plenty of things further up the list (like setting up a nice shadow box and continuous backdrop for said pictures...) -ethan