5 Feb
2015
5 Feb
'15
10:59 a.m.
I've heard something about a prime emulator (to run primos, premix etc).. does anyone
know any info on where it is and how to get ahold of it?
Anyone know of any actual prime hardware out there?
Thank you!
-Bob
5 Feb
5 Feb
11:05 a.m.
It's real. Google "prirun.dyndns.org".
Very, very neat stuff. I always wanted to play with a Pr1me like I read
about in Phrack and they let me do it.
The author seems to keep a low profile and the code for the emulator has
never been released to the public, nor has any Pr1me software, as far as I
know. It would be cool to see it someday, but I'm plenty happy to just have
that emulator running there, open for the public to explore.
Now I just need to log on to a Multics and all my boxes will be ticked :O
I've occasionally seen Pr1me gear on eBay but it's never been complete and
it's always been expensive from my view. I'm sure someone out there has a
few.
Best,
Sean
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Bob Brown <bbrown at harpercollege.edu> wrote:
I've heard something about a prime emulator (to
run primos, premix etc)..
does anyone know any info on where it is and how to get ahold of it?
Anyone know of any actual prime hardware out there?
Thank you!
-Bob
1:21 p.m.
On 2/5/15 8:05 AM, Sean Caron wrote:
nor has any Pr1me software, as far as I
know.
There are tapes on bitsavers.
I was disappointed that the simulator never went anywhere as far as I was concerned
and sort of lost interest in hunting down much more for the machines. It is a shame
that his work will die with him.
Something for people to consider. I don't believe in hording simulators, especially
sources for them which are absolutely critical for preservation, and people who do
so shouldn't expect much help from me. Fortunately there are only a few examples
where I have refused to release code that I have to people who would not release
the code for what they were doing.
2:31 p.m.
On 02/05/2015 10:21 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
I was disappointed that the simulator never went
anywhere as far as I
was concerned
and sort of lost interest in hunting down much more for the machines. It
is a shame
that his work will die with him.
The last time I checked, you could still telnet into the simulator (that
was a few months ago).
But yeah, it would have saved me a bunch of work if a simulator were
openly available. I had to decipher the format of a MAGSAV tape the
hard way.
--Chuck
2:39 p.m.
It's still up; I just logged into it a few hours ago. They seem to have
added more Primos revisions since I last checked. I too am a little...
dismayed... by the author's decision not to release the code however it's
certainly the author's right to do with their IP as they see fit. I guess
the field is always open for someone to re-invent the wheel open-source
style.
Best,
Sean
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 02/05/2015 10:21 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
I was disappointed that the simulator never went anywhere as far as I
was concerned
and sort of lost interest in hunting down much more for the machines. It
is a shame
that his work will die with him.
The last time I checked, you could still telnet into the simulator (that
was a few months ago).
But yeah, it would have saved me a bunch of work if a simulator were
openly available. I had to decipher the format of a MAGSAV tape the hard
way.
--Chuck
2:41 p.m.
The last time I checked, you could still telnet into
the simulator
(that was a few months ago).
It's still there. prirun.dyndns.org port 8001 is Rev 19.2; other higher
ports have other versions.
But yeah, it would have saved me a bunch of work if a
simulator were
openly available. I had to decipher the format of a MAGSAV tape the
hard way.
Seems like a number of us have done that. The one(s) I have yet to
solve are the latest versions of magsav, and the gadorful BRMS tool
formats.
De
3:26 p.m.
Where is the info on getting into the simulator....the addresses that I've tried
haven't worked.
-Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 1:32 PM
To: General at classiccmp.org; Discussion@
Subject: Re: Prime?
On 02/05/2015 10:21 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
I was disappointed that the simulator never went
anywhere as far as I
was concerned and sort of lost interest in hunting down much more for
the machines. It is a shame that his work will die with him.
The last time I checked, you could still telnet into the simulator (that was a few months
ago).
But yeah, it would have saved me a bunch of work if a simulator were openly available. I
had to decipher the format of a MAGSAV tape the hard way.
--Chuck
4:35 p.m.
Just use plain ole Telnet to connect to host prirun.dyndns.org on port 8001
or 8002 or ... 8007. The TCP port you connect to, determines the release of
Primos you get. Nothing on that host is listening at all on the usual
Telnet port, 23; you have to specify a port when you connect.
Best,
Sean
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Bob Brown <bbrown at harpercollege.edu> wrote:
Where is the info on getting into the simulator....the
addresses that I've
tried haven't worked.
-Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck
Guzis
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 1:32 PM
To: General at classiccmp.org; Discussion@
Subject: Re: Prime?
On 02/05/2015 10:21 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
I was disappointed that the simulator never went
anywhere as far as I
was concerned and sort of lost interest in hunting down much more for
the machines. It is a shame that his work will die with him.
The last time I checked, you could still telnet into the simulator (that
was a few months ago).
But yeah, it would have saved me a bunch of work if a simulator were
openly available. I had to decipher the format of a MAGSAV tape the hard
way.
--Chuck
11:34 a.m.
Bob,
I've heard something about a prime emulator (to
run primos, premix
etc).. does anyone know any info on where it is and how to get ahold
of it?
Last I talked to Jim, he wasn't doing hobbyist versions any more. :( He
said it was a fair amount of work to produce one, and there wasn't much
interest.
I don't believe I've seen Primix in captivity, though there are
certainly tapes that haven't been read somewhere.
Anyone know of any actual prime hardware out there?
You probably met most of the usual suspects at VCFmw. Ian Primus has a
fair collection. I have a working 5340, plus a 2550 and a 4050 that
need work. I think Jeff Russ had a machine that needed a power supply.
Daiyu Hurst may have a machine that needs work. There are a few other
folks I've talked to about Prime stuff that may or may not have
hardware, including one ex-Prime engineer who had some hard-to-read
cartridge tapes from an EXL.
Computronics still supports a few customers. (!) I think 1st Solutions
has packed it in. There may be a few outfits that support government
machines: not all that long ago, I saw a support price list online that
included a few bits of Prime gear.
I thought you folks had mainly EXL hardware, not 50 Series?
De
12:03 p.m.
I was mostly hoping for an emulator that I could set-up and play with on my own....used to
work a bit with a prime 750 and later an exl box.
-Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Boone
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 10:34 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Prime?
Bob,
I've heard something about a prime emulator (to
run primos, premix > etc).. does anyone know any info on where it is and how to get
ahold > of it?
Last I talked to Jim, he wasn't doing hobbyist versions any more. :( He said it was a
fair amount of work to produce one, and there wasn't much interest.
I don't believe I've seen Primix in captivity, though there are certainly tapes
that haven't been read somewhere.
Anyone know of any actual prime hardware out there?
You probably met most of the usual suspects at VCFmw. Ian Primus has a fair collection.
I have a working 5340, plus a 2550 and a 4050 that need work. I think Jeff Russ had a
machine that needed a power supply.
Daiyu Hurst may have a machine that needs work. There are a few other folks I've
talked to about Prime stuff that may or may not have hardware, including one ex-Prime
engineer who had some hard-to-read cartridge tapes from an EXL.
Computronics still supports a few customers. (!) I think 1st Solutions has packed it in.
There may be a few outfits that support government
machines: not all that long ago, I saw a support price list online that included a few
bits of Prime gear.
I thought you folks had mainly EXL hardware, not 50 Series?
De
12:12 p.m.
I have been actively seeking a Pr1me to add to my collection for years. I
spent many years of my professional career working on them as a
user/administrator/developer.
J
6:54 p.m.
On 02/05/2015 09:59 AM, Bob Brown wrote:
Anyone know of any actual prime hardware out there?
I helped pick up a 750 for NMoC in the UK back in 2005 - having been based
in the US now for a few years though, I'm not sure what its current status
is and if it's still just a static exhibit (or even on display at all).
It was in good physical shape and had a tape unit, but if I remember right
there was no disk or console, and I don't know if any parts from other
sources have shown up in the meantime (or if there are any workarounds
using non-Prime hardware)
cheers
Jules
10:36 p.m.
I helped pick up a 750 for NMoC in the UK back in 2005
- having been
based in the US now for a few years though, I'm not sure what its
current status is and if it's still just a static exhibit (or even on
display at all).
I'd also like to know what happened to the office-class machine from
Salford University that sold on ebay some years back. It passed through
the hands of two owners in a year, and I haven't heard of it since. I
think it had hardware problems, but there was some hope that the disks
might contain the Salford compilers.
De
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aek＠bitsavers.org -
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scaron＠umich.edu