8 Aug
2003
8 Aug
'03
7:57 a.m.
From: hansp <hansp(a)citem.org>
Al Kossow wrote:
Hi
This is why I think it is important to find ways to move
data from and to old media. This is why I've been working
on the methods for transfering data to and from the H89
hard sectored disk. I can take advantage of the higher density
storage of the newer media and still restore the software
to a media that can be used by the older machine.
It is best to save as much older media as possible but one
also needs to be realistic. A room full of tapes can easily
be put onto a single disk drive of today. First level of importance
is to save the information.
Dwight
Unfortunately, the companies whose archives are
being
turned over to CBI, The Computer History Museum, etc.
saved the manuals and the photographs, but none of the
software. :-<
A sad fact of life. Here in France the FEB tries to preserve all that is
connected with Bull and its associated companies. They keep machines,
manuals and other documentation. when I asked about software I got a
blank stare :-(
-- hbp
8 Aug
8 Aug
8:19 a.m.
Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
Hi
It is best to save as much older media as possible
but one
also needs to be realistic. A room full of tapes can easily
be put onto a single disk drive of today. First level of importance
is to save the information.
I absolutely agree. We have a boatload of tapes reels, tape cassettes of
different descritptions, floppy disks of all sizes. But the most
important part, the data on those media is normally ignored. I hear the
comment "Why do we need ANOTHER box of floopies, we already have 20" -
makes my blood boil.... I really must get round to starting to read
those tapes.
After we retores our PDP-9, I strated looking amongst the 100 or so
DECtapes we had and found a pair that appeared, from their labels, to
contain a copy of DOS-15. Now DOS-15 was considered lost forever.
Anyways to cut a long story short, we managed to recover the data and
got DOS-15 opeartional again on the SIMH simulator. For more details
read Bo Supniks paper here :
http://simh.trailing-edge.com/docs/advmonsys.pdf
-- hbp
8:38 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "hansp" <hansp(a)citem.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Interesting Burroughs Photo Site
Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
Its the same for any generation of hardware. Even if you can find the
hardware the manuals were the first to get tossed/lost by the original owner
followed shortly after by all the software once it wasnt used for anything
anymore. Even if people keep juggling the software media to newer storage
unless you have the original documentation nobody will know what to do with
it in 30 years time. A computer without software is nothing but a
paperweight (or for newer machines a very expensive and inneficient hair
dryers)
Hi
It is best to save as much older media as
possible but one
also needs to be realistic. A room full of tapes can easily
be put onto a single disk drive of today. First level of importance
is to save the information.
I absolutely agree. We have a boatload of tapes reels, tape cassettes of
different descritptions, floppy disks of all sizes. But the most
important part, the data on those media is normally ignored. I hear the
comment "Why do we need ANOTHER box of floopies, we already have 20" -
makes my blood boil.... I really must get round to starting to read
those tapes.
After we retores our PDP-9, I strated looking amongst the 100 or so
DECtapes we had and found a pair that appeared, from their labels, to
contain a copy of DOS-15. Now DOS-15 was considered lost forever.
Anyways to cut a long story short, we managed to recover the data and
got DOS-15 opeartional again on the SIMH simulator. For more details
read Bo Supniks paper here :
http://simh.trailing-edge.com/docs/advmonsys.pdf
-- hbp 
23 Aug
23 Aug
8:57 p.m.
we have a nice old Electrodata ( probaby for a 205) tape.... what are the
odds the data ( if any) is still good?
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
address:
coury house / smecc
5802 w palmaire ave
glendale az 85301
----- Original Message -----
From: "TeoZ" <teoz(a)neo.rr.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Interesting Burroughs Photo Site
----- Original Message -----
From: "hansp" <hansp(a)citem.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Interesting Burroughs Photo Site
owner
Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
Its the same for any generation of hardware. Even if you can find the
hardware the manuals were the first to get tossed/lost by the original Hi
It is best to save as much older media as
possible but one
also needs to be realistic. A room full of tapes can easily
be put onto a single disk drive of today. First level of importance
is to save the information.
I absolutely agree. We have a boatload of tapes reels, tape cassettes of
different descritptions, floppy disks of all sizes. But the most
important part, the data on those media is normally ignored. I hear the
comment "Why do we need ANOTHER box of floopies, we already have 20" -
makes my blood boil.... I really must get round to starting to read
those tapes.
After we retores our PDP-9, I strated looking amongst the 100 or so
DECtapes we had and found a pair that appeared, from their labels, to
contain a copy of DOS-15. Now DOS-15 was considered lost forever.
Anyways to cut a long story short, we managed to recover the data and
got DOS-15 opeartional again on the SIMH simulator. For more details
read Bo Supniks paper here :
http://simh.trailing-edge.com/docs/advmonsys.pdf
-- hbp followed shortly after by all the software once it
wasnt used for anything
anymore. Even if people keep juggling the software media to newer storage
unless you have the original documentation nobody will know what to do
with
it in 30 years time. A computer without software is
nothing but a
paperweight (or for newer machines a very expensive and inneficient hair
dryers)
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