15 Jan
2004
15 Jan
'04
9:37 p.m.
Googling around for more info on NeXT Computer to flesh
out my new NeXT page
on Binary Dinosaurs turned up something I'd really like to get my paws on
but I'll bet was consigned to the bin straight away - the 'star trek'
project started by Apple to port MacOS across to Intel hardware in the early
90s. So far I've found that a team of engineers succeeded in the port, but
it was canned in 1993 when Apple was moving from 68K to PowerPC processors
and it was found to be faster on a 486.
I've never found anything that confirms the actual existance of said OS
version. Although personally I don't doubt for a moment that it did
(does) exist (I've just yet to see the smoking gun). I came back to the
Apple Developer world in 95 (left the Apple Developer world in the late
80's), so I wasn't in a position to know anything that the developers
might have known at that time. Although I suspect that none did know
anything or there would be more "real" info out there.
However, I do know that the later Rhapsody project did in fact take a
turn to the Intel world. They got far enough on the first version of OS X
for Intel that it was released to developers in beta (alpha?) form. I
have a copy of it, at one point I had it installed on a P-166. It ran,
but that was about all it did. I'd have to pull out my CDs of it to be
sure, but I think the date for it was around 1997 or 1998. There should
be info on this project available out there as it was no secret, it was
originally a fully planned version of OS X, although it doesn't look
anything like what OS X is now (from what I understand, its really an
Apple-ized version of NeXTStep, but haven't never personally used/seen
NeXTStep, I can't verify that).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
16 Jan
16 Jan
9:05 a.m.
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, chris wrote:
However, I do know that the later Rhapsody project did
in fact take a
turn to the Intel world. They got far enough on the first version of
OS X for Intel that it was released to developers in beta (alpha?)
form. I have a copy of it, at one point I had it installed on a P-166.
It ran, but that was about all it did. I'd have to pull out my CDs of
it to be sure, but I think the date for it was around 1997 or 1998.
There should be info on this project available out there as it was no
secret, it was originally a fully planned version of OS X, although it
doesn't look anything like what OS X is now (from what I understand,
its really an Apple-ized version of NeXTStep, but haven't never
personally used/seen NeXTStep, I can't verify that).
The Intel version of Rhapsody most likely has direct heritage in the
NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP Intel port. Around the time NeXT got out of the
hardware business, they ported NEXTSTEP to Intel, Sparc, and PA-RISC.
The NS3.3 install CDs come with media for all the platforms. And I know
they were still supporting the Intel hardware as late as OPENSTEP 4.2.
-brian.
9:37 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Apple 'Star Trek'?
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 22:37, chris wrote:
However, I do know that the later Rhapsody project did
in fact take a
turn to the Intel world. They got far enough on the first version of OS X
for Intel that it was released to developers in beta (alpha?) form.
***Snip***
There should
be info on this project available out there as it was no secret, it was
originally a fully planned version of OS X, although it doesn't look
anything like what OS X is now (from what I understand, its really an
Apple-ized version of NeXTStep, but haven't never personally used/seen
NeXTStep, I can't verify that).
Well... They have Darwin (the parts under the fancy GUI) available in
x86 format... Freely downloadable at
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/ all the way from 10.0 to
10.3...
Or is that not what you're interested in?
Sorry for being Off Topic...
TTFN
Andy-roo
17 Jan
17 Jan
11:19 a.m.
Hmmmm....
D/L'ing now... curious to check this out :-)
I have a Mac OS X 10.2 Server running in my office, so I'm curious to see
how these interact...
Curt
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Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:37 PM
Subject: OT: Re: Apple 'Star Trek'?
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 22:37, chris wrote:
> However, I do know that the later Rhapsody project did in fact take a
> turn to the Intel world. They got far enough on the first version of OS
X
for Intel that
it was released to developers in beta (alpha?) form.
***Snip***
There should
be info on this project available out there as it was no secret, it was
originally a fully planned version of OS X, although it doesn't look
anything like what OS X is now (from what I understand, its really an
Apple-ized version of NeXTStep, but haven't never personally used/seen
NeXTStep, I can't verify that).
Well... They have Darwin (the parts under the fancy GUI) available in
x86 format... Freely downloadable at
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/ all the way from 10.0 to
10.3...
Or is that not what you're interested in?
Sorry for being Off Topic...
TTFN
Andy-roo
11:56 a.m.
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Curt vendel wrote:
Hmmmm....
D/L'ing now... curious to check this out :-)
I have a Mac OS X 10.2 Server running in my office, so I'm curious to see
how these interact...
Curt
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Subject: OT: Re: Apple 'Star Trek'?
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On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 22:37, chris wrote:
>However, I do know that the later Rhapsody project did in fact take a
>turn to the Intel world. They got far enough on the first version of OS
>
>
X
for Intel
that it was released to developers in beta (alpha?) form.
***Snip***
There should
be info on this project available out there as it was no secret, it was
originally a fully planned version of OS X, although it doesn't look
anything like what OS X is now (from what I understand, its really an
Apple-ized version of NeXTStep, but haven't never personally used/seen
NeXTStep, I can't verify that).
Well... They have Darwin (the parts under the fancy GUI) available in
x86 format... Freely downloadable at
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/ all the way from 10.0 to
10.3...
Or is that not what you're interested in?
Sorry for being Off Topic...
TTFN
Andy-roo
1:02 p.m.
Thanks James.... I just subscribed :-)
Curt
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Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Apple 'Star Trek'?
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Curt vendel wrote:
Hmmmm....
D/L'ing now... curious to check this out :-)
I have a Mac OS X 10.2 Server running in my office, so I'm curious to see
how these interact...
Curt
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Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:37 PM
Subject: OT: Re: Apple 'Star Trek'?
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On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 22:37, chris wrote:
>However, I do know that the later Rhapsody project did in fact take a
>turn to the Intel world. They got far enough on the first version of OS
>
>
X
for Intel
that it was released to developers in beta (alpha?) form.
***Snip***
There should
be info on this project available out there as it was no secret, it was
originally a fully planned version of OS X, although it doesn't look
anything like what OS X is now (from what I understand, its really an
Apple-ized version of NeXTStep, but haven't never personally used/seen
NeXTStep, I can't verify that).
Well... They have Darwin (the parts under the fancy GUI) available in
x86 format... Freely downloadable at
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/ all the way from 10.0 to
10.3...
Or is that not what you're interested in?
Sorry for being Off Topic...
TTFN
Andy-roo
26 Jan
26 Jan
9:09 p.m.
I went back and did some reading from Apple Confidential, it does list that
Star Trek was made into a functional demo and was booting on Intel 486 PC's
(actually supplied by Intel themselves as the Star Trek offices were located
across the street)
Apparently the head of technology saw his pink slip flash before his eyes
when he realized that a Mac OS on PC hardware would cause the elimination of
Mac hardware and the project was scuttled internally...
It would be cool to see that original code running on a PC today.
Also it mentioned that while the OS did boot on a PC, the Chooser didn't
work, nor did serial port access and/or appletalk and Applications did not
work and would've had to have been ported over.
Curt
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Curt vendel wrote:
Hmmmm....
D/L'ing now... curious to check this out :-)
I have a Mac OS X 10.2 Server running in my office, so I'm curious to see
how these interact...
Curt
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Subject: OT: Re: Apple 'Star Trek'?
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On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 22:37, chris wrote:
>However, I do know that the later Rhapsody project did in fact take a
>turn to the Intel world. They got far enough on the first version of OS
>
>
X
for Intel
that it was released to developers in beta (alpha?) form.
***Snip***
There should
be info on this project available out there as it was no secret, it was
originally a fully planned version of OS X, although it doesn't look
anything like what OS X is now (from what I understand, its really an
Apple-ized version of NeXTStep, but haven't never personally used/seen
NeXTStep, I can't verify that).
Well... They have Darwin (the parts under the fancy GUI) available in
x86 format... Freely downloadable at
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/ all the way from 10.0 to
10.3...
Or is that not what you're interested in?
Sorry for being Off Topic...
TTFN
Andy-roo
27 Jan
27 Jan
5:23 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Curt vendel
Sent: 27 January 2004 03:09
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Apple 'Star Trek'?
Apparently the head of technology saw his pink slip flash before his eyes
when he realized that a Mac OS on PC hardware would cause the
elimination of
Mac hardware and the project was scuttled internally...
I wonder if that was a wise decision in hindsight. Discuss. *evil grin* :)
It would be cool to see that original code running on
a PC today.
Yep. I bet someone held onto a copy that's now sitting in the bottom of a
filing cabinet somewhere slowly becoming unreadable.....
Also it mentioned that while the OS did boot on a PC,
the Chooser didn't
work, nor did serial port access and/or appletalk and Applications did not
work and would've had to have been ported over.
Oh. Bummer. Still, these days since I can't afford a G4 or G5 I've got the
next best thing - ObjectBar, ObjectDock and WindowBlinds from Stardock!
cheers
--
Adrian/Witchy
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum
www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o(
12:13 p.m.
You can pick up a respectable G4 cheap, I bought a Quicksilver not long ago
very low and just picked up a GB of memory for $150 and popped in a 60GB for
$70 and a copy of OS X 10.2 I bought for $20 and the system is purring along
VERY nicely.
Curt
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Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 6:23 AM
Subject: RE: Apple 'Star Trek'?
not
museum
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
> [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Curt vendel
> Sent: 27 January 2004 03:09
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Apple 'Star Trek'?
>
> Apparently the head of technology saw his pink slip flash before his
eyes
when he
realized that a Mac OS on PC hardware would cause the
elimination of
Mac hardware and the project was scuttled internally...
I wonder if that was a wise decision in hindsight. Discuss. *evil grin* :)
It would be cool to see that original code
running on a PC today.
Yep. I bet someone held onto a copy that's now sitting in the bottom of a
filing cabinet somewhere slowly becoming unreadable.....
> Also it mentioned that while the OS did boot on a PC, the Chooser didn't
> work, nor did serial port access and/or appletalk and Applications did work and
would've had to have been ported over.
Oh. Bummer. Still, these days since I can't afford a G4 or G5 I've got the
next best thing - ObjectBar, ObjectDock and WindowBlinds from Stardock!
cheers
--
Adrian/Witchy
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic
shenanigans :o(
1:33 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Curt vendel
Sent: 27 January 2004 18:14
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Apple 'Star Trek'?
You can pick up a respectable G4 cheap, I bought a Quicksilver
not long ago
very low and just picked up a GB of memory for $150 and popped in
a 60GB for
$70 and a copy of OS X 10.2 I bought for $20 and the system is
purring along
VERY nicely.
I'm supposed to be getting a Quicksilver but the current owner appears to
have vanished.....I also still need to sell things to buy one :-/
cheers
w
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