For those of you who were discussing the merits of CD-R manufacturers and dyes a week or so ago, I ran across a Windows program tonight that might be of interest. Apparently it can tell you the real manufacturer and dye type used on the disc. Find it at: http://www.gum.de/it/download/english.htm -Rob -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT/E d- s:- a--- C++(++++) ULS+ P+ L+ E- W++ N+(++) o K w+++ O- M- V- PS+(+++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP t- 5- X+ R- tv b++ DI++ D++ G++ e h+ r- y ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------