2 Jun
2001
2 Jun
'01
2:39 p.m.
I wrote once about this and it's annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop with the funky font shit!
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps
Sellam Ismail wrote:
most
I recommend:
Fire in the Valley (Freiberger/Swaine)
Hackers (Levy)
The Naked Computer (Rochester/Gantz)
I found Fire in the Valley on ABE at
http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookSearch for $6.00 plus postage. A interesting book! Some of these books are getting a bit
harder to find
on
the streets.
2 Jun
2 Jun
3:09 p.m.
New subject: Problem Posts????? was Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps
Allison
I have not a clue what you are talking about. Viewing my messages in a
number of ways including the page source shows NOTHING out of the ordinary.
If you have a problem, kindly include a suggested solution. I see NOTHING
any different from my post than any other posts on this board.
ajp166 wrote:
I wrote once about this and it's annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop with the funky font shit!
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps
Sellam Ismail wrote:
most
I recommend:
Fire in the Valley (Freiberger/Swaine)
Hackers (Levy)
The Naked Computer (Rochester/Gantz)
I found Fire in the Valley on ABE at
http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookSearch for $6.00 plus postage. A interesting book! Some of these books are getting
a bit harder to find
on
>the streets. 
3:27 p.m.
New subject: Problem Posts????? was Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps
I can't see anything either.
Peace... Sridhar
On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Marvin wrote:
Allison
I have not a clue what you are talking about. Viewing my messages in a
number of ways including the page source shows NOTHING out of the ordinary.
If you have a problem, kindly include a suggested solution. I see NOTHING
any different from my post than any other posts on this board.
ajp166 wrote:
I wrote once about this and it's annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop with the funky font shit!
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps
Sellam Ismail wrote:
most
I recommend:
Fire in the Valley (Freiberger/Swaine)
Hackers (Levy)
The Naked Computer (Rochester/Gantz)
I found Fire in the Valley on ABE at
http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookSearch for $6.00 plus postage. A interesting book! Some of these books are getting
a bit harder to find
on
>the streets. 
4:41 p.m.
New subject: [classiccmp] on subject line
Greetings,
Is it possible for the mailing list software used for this list to
prepend something like "[classiccmp]" to the subject lines for all of
the messages on this list like many other mailing lists have? Since
this is a somewhat high volume list, it would make it a heck of a lot
easier to sort through e-mail messages. :-)
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4:55 p.m.
New subject: [classiccmp] on subject line
Is it possible for the mailing list software used for
this list to
prepend something like "[classiccmp]" to the subject lines for all of
the messages on this list like many other mailing lists have? Since
this is a somewhat high volume list, it would make it a heck of a lot
easier to sort through e-mail messages. :-)
If you'll remember we tried that when we switched over to this listserver
and the general concensus was that we didn't like it! It's a royal pain
both in the added lenght and sorting.
Actually even when I'm in 'elm' I can generally tell the messages are from
this list. In Eudora, they all automatically go to the CLASSICCMP box.
Zane
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6:33 p.m.
New subject: [classiccmp] on subject line
Actually even when I'm in 'elm' I can
generally tell the messages are from
this list. In Eudora, they all automatically go to the CLASSICCMP box.
That is how I deal with the high volume of this list as well.
Eudora's filter functions are easy to use and make life much easier.
Jeff
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9:57 p.m.
New subject: [classiccmp] on subject line
On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, R. D. Davis wrote:
Greetings,
Is it possible for the mailing list software used for this list to
prepend something like "[classiccmp]" to the subject lines for all of
the messages on this list like many other mailing lists have? Since
this is a somewhat high volume list, it would make it a heck of a lot
easier to sort through e-mail messages. :-)
Using procmail to filter the messages into a seperate folder for pine
works rather well for me. (Well, this is a Unix based system though).
Can't modern GUI e-mail readers filter messages based on the fact that the
header entries for "To:" and "Reply-To:" contain
classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org?
And what're all you ClassicCmpers doing reading e-mail on Windows PCs and
Macs anyhow? How embarassing. :-)
-brian.
10:58 p.m.
New subject: on subject line
Gidday Brian
On 03-Jun-01, you wrote:
And what're all you ClassicCmpers doing reading
e-mail on Windows PCs and
Macs anyhow? How embarassing. :-)
YAM 2.2 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-2000 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch
:-))
Regards
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3 Jun
3 Jun
4:49 a.m.
New subject: on subject line
YAM 2.2 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-2000 by
Marcel Beck
http://www.yam.ch
Very nice client....I was one of the early testers and
registered users of it. If I remember correctly, the main gripe
people had with it was that it used MUI, but then again, quite a lot
of stuff does, so that wasn't a big deal to me.
Jeff
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3:02 p.m.
New subject: on subject line
Gidday Jeff
On 04-Jun-01, you wrote:
> YAM 2.2 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-2000
by Marcel Beck
> http://www.yam.ch
Very nice client....I was one of the early testers
and
registered users of it. If I remember correctly, the main gripe
people had with it was that it used MUI, but then again, quite a lot
of stuff does, so that wasn't a big deal to me.
The anti MUI movement was some sort of hysteria whereby someone
screamed wolf and the sheep all galloped over the cliff. To me it
seems as if people were to go about bragging that they were eschewing
four-wheel-braking on their car.
Regards
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5:02 a.m.
New subject: [classiccmp] on subject line
And what're all you ClassicCmpers doing reading
e-mail on Windows PCs and
Macs anyhow? How embarassing. :-)
There are certainly very usable Mac's still on the 'net over
10 years old. Afterall, one of the things the machines are known for
is their longevity. Get an early version of Eudora Light or Claris
Emailer, plus FreePPP, and even the early compact Macs make nice
email systems that don't need a whole lot of space. A Windows
machine of the same vintage.. I'd just as soon not try that ever
again.
One of these days I"ll finally get STiK configured and
working on my ST. Had quite a bit of trouble with it in the past and
haven't messed with it in a number of years. For a couple of years,
the main thing I used the ST for was offline BBS message browsing.
Jeff
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7:30 a.m.
New subject: [classiccmp] on subject line
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Chase" <bdc(a)world.std.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: [classiccmp] on subject line
On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, R. D. Davis wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Is it possible for the mailing list software used for
this list to
> prepend something like "[classiccmp]"
to the subject
lines for all of
> the messages on this list like many other mailing
lists
have? Since
> this is a somewhat high volume list, it would
make it a
heck of a lot
> easier to sort through e-mail messages. :-)
filter on the from line and it works OK with outlook.
Using procmail to filter the messages into a seperate
folder for pine
works rather well for me. (Well, this is a Unix based
system though).
Can't modern GUI e-mail readers filter messages
based on
the fact that the
header entries for "To:" and
"Reply-To:" contain
classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org?
And what're all you ClassicCmpers doing reading e-mail on
Windows PCs and
Macs anyhow? How embarassing. :-)
I still run 1 machine with win95 for games and my office
connection, and 1 NT machine for mail. These machines are
'stable' because I hate playing with them and leave them
alone. All the other machines/partitions get played with
and may not be in working condition when needed.
8:01 a.m.
New subject: [classiccmp] on subject line
Brian,
What's ClassicCmpers? Classic Campers ?? :-) I don't even own a tent!
:-)
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Brian Chase wrote:
And what're all you ClassicCmpers doing reading
e-mail on Windows PCs and
Macs anyhow? How embarassing. :-)
-brian.
11:25 a.m.
New subject: [classiccmp] on subject line
Quoting Brian Chase <bdc(a)world.std.com>om>:
And what're all you ClassicCmpers doing reading
e-mail on Windows
PCs and Macs anyhow?
Well, I use my university's webmail system, as I like being able to
read my mail from anywhere. It's got only basic features, but it
seems to be good at them.
That said, I typically am reading it within an IE window on a Windows
box; as much as I hate Windows and Micro$oft, I have yet to experience
an acceptable (to me) browser on my FreeBSD machine (though Konqueror
is looking pretty good these days). Plus, I at least have to keep
Windows around for my beloved Everquest...
Oh dear, here come the flames!
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
3:37 a.m.
New subject: [classiccmp] on subject line
Hi!
On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, R. D. Davis wrote:
Is it possible for the mailing list software used for
this list to
prepend something like "[classiccmp]" to the subject lines for all of
the messages on this list like many other mailing lists have? Since
this is a somewhat high volume list, it would make it a heck of a lot
easier to sort through e-mail messages. :-)
The mailing list server puts ''Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org''
in the header. I use this (with the elm filter tool) to filter the messages
of this mailing list into a separate inbox (as I do with all mailinglists).
Maybe your software is able to filter on this header field to?
Regards,
Alex.
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2 Jun
2 Jun
5:53 p.m.
New subject: Problem Posts????? was Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps
I'm guessing it is these two. I don't know what mail client Allison uses
but perhaps when it sees the request for the 'x-user-defined' character set
it freaks. Most MIME clients put ISO_LATIN1 there and they are not bothersome.
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
This reminds me yet again of a what a _wonderful_ hack to Majordomo,
Listserve, or what ever that would take the message submission and
_reformat it_ into plain text regardless of how it was sent. Then send it
to the list that way (and strip off attachments etc) That is the kind of
list I want to subscribe to because even when a newbie screws up (and
Marvin isn't one, he just has some interesting headers) no one suffers.
--Chuck
At 05:09 PM 6/2/01 -0700, you wrote:
Allison
I have not a clue what you are talking about. Viewing my messages in a
number of ways including the page source shows NOTHING out of the ordinary.
If you have a problem, kindly include a suggested solution. I see NOTHING
any different from my post than any other posts on this board.
3 Jun
3 Jun
11:13 a.m.
New subject: Problem Posts????? was Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps
I think mine uses the US-ASCII characterset.
Peace... Sridhar
On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Chuck McManis wrote:
I'm guessing it is these two. I don't know
what mail client Allison uses
but perhaps when it sees the request for the 'x-user-defined' character set
it freaks. Most MIME clients put ISO_LATIN1 there and they are not bothersome.
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
This reminds me yet again of a what a _wonderful_ hack to Majordomo,
Listserve, or what ever that would take the message submission and
_reformat it_ into plain text regardless of how it was sent. Then send it
to the list that way (and strip off attachments etc) That is the kind of
list I want to subscribe to because even when a newbie screws up (and
Marvin isn't one, he just has some interesting headers) no one suffers.
--Chuck
At 05:09 PM 6/2/01 -0700, you wrote:
Allison
I have not a clue what you are talking about. Viewing my messages in a
number of ways including the page source shows NOTHING out of the ordinary.
If you have a problem, kindly include a suggested solution. I see NOTHING
any different from my post than any other posts on this board.
12 Jun
12 Jun
10:27 a.m.
New subject: Trade deal status?
Sridhar,
I'm still waiting for your last reply. IBM parts for your parts.
Cheers,
Wizard
2 Jun
2 Jun
3:25 p.m.
On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, ajp166 wrote:
I wrote once about this and it's
annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop with the funky font shit!
Allison, what e-mail reader are you using? I'm using PINE, and if there
is any HTML encoding in the message, I would see it. But I don't see
anything coming from any of Marvin's postings, so I'm trying to figure out
what you're getting on your end.
-----Original Message-----
From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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Sellam Ismail wrote:
most
I recommend:
Fire in the Valley (Freiberger/Swaine)
Hackers (Levy)
The Naked Computer (Rochester/Gantz)
I found Fire in the Valley on ABE at
http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookSearch for $6.00 plus postage. A interesting book! Some of these books are getting
a bit harder to find
on
the streets.
4:37 p.m.
New subject: Problems with posts? (was: Altair 8800 front panel lamps
On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Allison, what e-mail reader are you using? I'm
using PINE, and if there
is any HTML encoding in the message, I would see it. But I don't see
anything coming from any of Marvin's postings, so I'm trying to figure out
what you're getting on your end.
With full headers enabled in PINE, I get the following message preceding
Marvin's post:
[ The following text is in the "x-user-defined" character set. ]
[ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ]
[ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]
Could that be what is causing problems for Allison?
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
4:43 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps
On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, ajp166 wrote:
out
I wrote once about this and it's
annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop with the funky font shit!
Allison, what e-mail reader are you using? I'm using PINE, and if there
is any HTML encoding in the message, I would see it. But I don't see
anything coming from any of Marvin's postings, so I'm trying to figure what you're getting on your end.
FWIW, I use Outlook Express at work, and Marvin's messages all display in a
different font (a sans-serif, very thin font) from my default mail font. So
OE at least is interpreting something in the message as HTML formatting.
But all I get is the "funky font", no other HTML features (colour changes,
bold, etc).
Cheers,
Mark.
3 Jun
3 Jun
3:01 a.m.
Mark Gregory skrev:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps
Sigh, yet another five-line attribution tag.
On Sat, 2 Jun
2001, ajp166 wrote:
out
> what you're getting on your end. I wrote once about this and it's
annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop with the funky font shit!
Allison, what e-mail reader are you using? I'm using PINE, and if there
is any HTML encoding in the message, I would see it. But I don't see
anything coming from any of Marvin's postings, so I'm trying to figure FWIW, I use Outlook Express at work, and Marvin's
messages all display in a
different font (a sans-serif, very thin font) from my default mail font. So
OE at least is interpreting something in the message as HTML formatting.
But all I get is the "funky font", no other HTML features (colour changes,
bold, etc).
Which means that although Marvin should really set a correct character set,
what's really at fault (again) is Outlook. No decent mailer would go about
changing font sizes because of that.
So in order to sum things up: Marvin, set your charset - OE users, ditch OE.
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"Auf Sparc-Maschinen ist Linux weit weniger gut. Auf Maschinen mit sun4
Architektur ist NetBSD etwa 30% schneller. Wer auf so einer Maschine
Linux faehrt tut es aus ideologischen Gruenden oder kennt nichts anderes."
Aus: de.comp.os.unix.misc, "Was ist schneller?"
4:10 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se
(is that better?)
> So in order to sum things up: Marvin, set
your charset - OE users, ditch
OE.
Great idea! I can imagine the conversation now ... "Boss, I know that
Outlook Express came free with our desktop O/S, and that 99% of our clients
use it, and that all of the staff are familiar with it, but I really think
we should dump it, because some non-work related messages from text-only
mail programs on 10+ year old UNIX boxen display funny."
I think you're trying to get me to join R.D. Davis in contemplative
unemployment.
(here's hoping you find a new job soon, R.D.).
> --
> En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
> "Auf Sparc-Maschinen ist Linux weit
weniger gut. Auf Maschinen mit sun4
> Architektur ist NetBSD etwa 30% schneller. Wer auf so einer Maschine
> Linux faehrt tut es aus ideologischen Gruenden oder kennt nichts
anderes."
> Aus: de.comp.os.unix.misc, "Was ist schneller?"
Sigh. Another pointless 5 line sig in a foreign language.
Which means that although Marvin should really set a
correct character
set,
what's really at fault (again) is Outlook. No
decent mailer would go
about
> changing font sizes because of that.
4 Jun
4 Jun
1:47 a.m.
Mark Gregory skrev:
From: "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se
(is that better?)
Which means
that although Marvin should really set a correct character
set,
what's really at fault (again) is Outlook. No
decent mailer would go
about
changing font sizes because of that.
So in order to sum things up: Marvin, set your charset - OE users, ditch
OE.
Great idea! I can imagine the conversation now ...
"Boss, I know that
Outlook Express came free with our desktop O/S, and that 99% of our clients
use it, and that all of the staff are familiar with it, but I really think
we should dump it, because some non-work related messages from text-only
mail programs on 10+ year old UNIX boxen display funny."
Mark, go to hell and die. You could instead explain that it's a program which
is prone to go haywire and send illegible, heavy messages to people, which in
turn is bad PR.
Sigh. Another pointless 5 line sig in a foreign
language.
Foreign to whom? If you can't be arsed to learn German, that's hardly my
fault.
Besides, I sometimes may have five-line .sigs, now I have a one-line one, so
it eventually sums up within any recommendations.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
6 Jun
6 Jun
5:13 a.m.
> Which means that although Marvin should really
set a correct character
> set,
> what's really at fault (again) is Outlook. No decent mailer would go
> about
> changing font sizes because of that.
> So in order to sum things up: Marvin, set your charset - OE users, ditch
> OE.
Great idea! I can imagine the conversation now ...
"Boss, I know that
Outlook Express came free with our desktop O/S, and that 99% of our clients
use it, and that all of the staff are familiar with it, but I really think
we should dump it, because some non-work related messages from text-only
mail programs on 10+ year old UNIX boxen display funny."
I still don't get the idea why Alison is upset because of HTML.
It's a 7 Bit encoded text/Plain message of unknown charset (so
US-ASCII is to be assumed) - so where is the gag ?
> "Auf Sparc-Maschinen ist Linux weit weniger
gut. Auf Maschinen mit sun4
> Architektur ist NetBSD etwa 30% schneller. Wer auf so einer Maschine
> Linux faehrt tut es aus ideologischen Gruenden oder kennt nichts
> anderes."
> Aus: de.comp.os.unix.misc, "Was ist schneller?"
Sigh. Another pointless 5 line sig in a foreign
language.
Well, pointless or not is not dependant on the language ...
(although I see more English than german ones :)
SCNR
Gruss
H.
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3 Jun
3 Jun
4:35 p.m.
...OE users, ditch OE...
I certainly wouldn't reccomend 'O' over 'OE'. It was slower
and creepier, ie more complex and Even Less Open than
OE as if that was possible. PS pick Format>Plain Text
or Tools>Options>Send>Plain Text depending
on where you are. AAaack Pbffftttttffff!
John A.
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