10 Nov
2005
10 Nov
'05
6:25 a.m.
Hello,
Anybody have a ISO copy of the last version of Ultrix (4.5?) for the
DECstation 500/2xx ?
Somehow NetBSD isn't satisfying enough.. :-)
10 Nov
10 Nov
7:34 a.m.
Wai-Sun Chia wrote:
Hello,
Anybody have a ISO copy of the last version of Ultrix (4.5?) for the
DECstation 500/2xx ?
Somehow NetBSD isn't satisfying enough.. :-)
I have one... somewhere...
How soon do you need it? FWIW, I don't find Ultrix that satisfying.
Peace... Sridhar
7:44 a.m.
On 11/10/05, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
Wai-Sun Chia wrote:
Take your time...perhaps in a week?
Well, I have plenty of modern systems running *BSD, so what's the
point of running a modern *NIX on a vintage system?
Hello,
Anybody have a ISO copy of the last version of Ultrix (4.5?) for the
DECstation 500/2xx ?
Somehow NetBSD isn't satisfying enough.. :-)
I have one... somewhere...
How soon do you need it? FWIW, I don't find Ultrix that satisfying.
7:55 a.m.
Wai-Sun Chia wrote:
On 11/10/05, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at
gmail.com> wrote:
It might take longer than that. I'm in the process of moving.
The problem is that Ultrix doesn't *feel* all that different from NetBSD.
Peace... Sridhar
Wai-Sun Chia wrote:
Take your time...perhaps in a week?
Well, I have plenty of modern systems running *BSD, so what's the
point of running a modern *NIX on a vintage system? Hello,
Anybody have a ISO copy of the last version of Ultrix (4.5?) for the
DECstation 500/2xx ?
Somehow NetBSD isn't satisfying enough.. :-)
I have one... somewhere...
How soon do you need it? FWIW, I don't find Ultrix that satisfying.
7:59 a.m.
On 11/10/05, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
Not a problem. Whenever you have the first chance..
Take your time...perhaps in a week?
Well, I have plenty of modern systems running *BSD, so what's the
point of running a modern *NIX on a vintage system?
It might take longer than that. I'm in the process of moving.
The problem is that Ultrix doesn't *feel* all that
different from NetBSD.
I wouldn't know that until I've checked it out, wouldn't I?
Now you've gone and spoiled it..:-)
8:32 a.m.
Wai-Sun Chia wrote:
Not a problem. Whenever you have the first chance..
Sorry 8-P
It's really too bad that DEC never released a version of VMS for
DECstation. I'd be all over that.
Peace... Sridhar
Take your time...perhaps in a week?
Well, I have plenty of modern systems running *BSD, so what's the
point of running a modern *NIX on a vintage system?
It might take longer than that. I'm in the process of moving.
The problem is that Ultrix doesn't *feel* all
that different from NetBSD.
I wouldn't know that until I've checked it out, wouldn't I?
Now you've gone and spoiled it..:-)
8:49 a.m.
Dan Williams wrote:
That's fine for Alphas, but DECstations are MIPS.
Peace... Sridhar
It's really
too bad that DEC never released a version of VMS for
DECstation. I'd be all over that.
Peace... Sridhar
The 3000/ 300, 400, 500 and 500x all run Openvms Alpha. Up to which
version I don't know, but I would assume current. 
9:07 a.m.
On 10/11/05, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
Dan Williams wrote:
That's fine for Alphas, but DECstations are MIPS.
Peace... Sridhar
The Decstation 3000 range where Alphas, they had a 21064 chip.
Dan
It's
really too bad that DEC never released a version of VMS for
DECstation. I'd be all over that.
Peace... Sridhar
The 3000/ 300, 400, 500 and 500x all run Openvms Alpha. Up to which
version I don't know, but I would assume current. 
9:41 a.m.
On Thursday 10 November 2005 12:07, Dan Williams wrote:
On 10/11/05, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at
gmail.com> wrote:
No, those were "DEC 3000"s. DECstations (3000/5000/etc) were all MIPS.
And, from what I've heard, at least one reason that DEC made Alpha, and
didn't port VMS to the MIPS architecture, is because they'd have to
make a lot of changes to VMS, because of its security model, in order
to make it work with MIPS. Aparently, MIPS just didn't work enough
like a VAX CPU to easily port VMS to it.
Pat
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Dan Williams wrote:
That's fine for Alphas, but DECstations are MIPS.
Peace... Sridhar
The Decstation 3000 range where Alphas, they had a 21064 chip. It's
really too bad that DEC never released a version of VMS for
DECstation. I'd be all over that.
Peace... Sridhar
The 3000/ 300, 400, 500 and 500x all run Openvms Alpha. Up to
which version I don't know, but I would assume current. 
10:17 a.m.
>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick
Finnegan <pat at computer-refuge.org> writes:
Patrick> No, those were "DEC 3000"s. DECstations (3000/5000/etc)
Patrick> were all MIPS.
Patrick> And, from what I've heard, at least one reason that DEC made
Patrick> Alpha, and didn't port VMS to the MIPS architecture, is
Patrick> because they'd have to make a lot of changes to VMS, because
Patrick> of its security model, in order to make it work with MIPS.
Patrick> Aparently, MIPS just didn't work enough like a VAX CPU to
Patrick> easily port VMS to it.
Maybe. But I wonder what could be missing that Alpha has and MIPS
doesn't that is so critical.
Supposedly, the only reason MIPS has supervisor mode is that DEC
insisted on having it added.
paul
9:42 a.m.
Dan Williams wrote:
On 10/11/05, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at
gmail.com> wrote:
I'm reasonably sure that you are thinking of the DEC 3000 series,
which were all Alphas. The DECstatiosn were almost all MIPs, the
rest were PCs!
Antonio
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Dan Williams wrote:
That's fine for Alphas, but DECstations are MIPS.
Peace... Sridhar
The Decstation 3000 range where Alphas, they had a 21064 chip.
Dan It's
really too bad that DEC never released a version of VMS for
DECstation. I'd be all over that.
Peace... Sridhar
The 3000/ 300, 400, 500 and 500x all run Openvms Alpha. Up to which
version I don't know, but I would assume current.
10:48 a.m.
Dan Williams wrote:
On 10/11/05, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at
gmail.com> wrote:
Wrong. The DEC 3000 range were alphas. The DECstation 2100/3100, 5100,
5400, 5500 and 5000-series were MIPS.
Peace... Sridhar
Dan Williams wrote:
That's fine for Alphas, but DECstations are MIPS.
Peace... Sridhar
The Decstation 3000 range where Alphas, they had a 21064 chip. It's
really too bad that DEC never released a version of VMS for
DECstation. I'd be all over that.
Peace... Sridhar
The 3000/ 300, 400, 500 and 500x all run Openvms Alpha. Up to which
version I don't know, but I would assume current.
12:27 p.m.
Dan Williams wrote:
The low end DEC 3000's (the 300 and the 400) are in the same case as the
DECstation 5000/20, /25, /33 and /50. Same 12.5MHz TurboChannel too, I
believe. Otherwise, they're all different.
Peace... Sridhar
Wrong. The DEC
3000 range were alphas. The DECstation 2100/3100, 5100,
5400, 5500 and 5000-series were MIPS.
Peace... Sridhar
I think I could be going mad, I was sure I used to have a decstation
Alpha. I looked on the web and they are not even in the same case. 
1:29 p.m.
On 10/11/05 20:27, "Sridhar Ayengar" <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
The low end DEC 3000's (the 300 and the 400) are
in the same case as the
DECstation 5000/20, /25, /33 and /50. Same 12.5MHz TurboChannel too, I
believe. Otherwise, they're all different.
Sort of correct, the 3000-300LX is in a similar case to the 5000/20 etc but
the 3000-400 is in a unique box. You're right about the turbochannel though.
A
11:02 a.m.
On 10/11/05 17:07, "Dan Williams" <williams.dan at gmail.com> wrote:
The Decstation 3000 range where Alphas, they had a
21064 chip.
Not quite, alphas were never christened 'DECstations' - that moniker was
reserved for the MIPS-powered DECstation 2100, 3100, 5000 etc that only ran
Ultrix MIPS. The DEC 3000-300LX, 400, 500, 600 and 900 (?) were Alpha
powered machines using the same TURBOChannel bus as the top-end MIPS
DECstation 5000 range.
Somewhere in my DEC CD collection I've got OSF/1 T1.0 for MIPS boxen but
can't find it ATM. Bah.
Ultrix VAX was a different codebase I think, certainly for binaries.
I've got CDs for 4.2, 4.4 and 4.5 and they *may* be downstairs. I've got to
rifle through the whole lot for VAX VMS 7.1 for my VAX 6660 installation
next week so I'll have a look for the Ultrix ones too.
(The only load media on this big-iron VAX is a TZ887 tape library so I'm
going to install VMS onto the boot disk by plugging it into a VAX 3100-90
with a BA350 storage shelf then all I have to do is put that disk into the
6660's HSJ50-powered storage array and boot it......try doing THAT on any
other OS :oD VMS is VMS is VMS.....)
A
11:35 a.m.
Adrian Graham wrote:
(The only load media on this big-iron VAX is a TZ887
tape library so I'm
going to install VMS onto the boot disk by plugging it into a VAX 3100-90
with a BA350 storage shelf then all I have to do is put that disk into the
6660's HSJ50-powered storage array and boot it......try doing THAT on any
other OS :oD VMS is VMS is VMS.....)
I load my big-iron VAXen by MOP booting them directly from the VMS CD
using an Infoserver. I suppose you could use NetBSD mopd to do
something similar, but it's much easier with the Infoserver, which is
designed specifically for that purpose.
If you can get your hands on an Infoserver, I highly recommend it.
Peace... Sridhar
11:53 a.m.
On 10/11/05 19:35, "Sridhar Ayengar" <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
I load my big-iron VAXen by MOP booting them directly
from the VMS CD
using an Infoserver. I suppose you could use NetBSD mopd to do
something similar, but it's much easier with the Infoserver, which is
designed specifically for that purpose.
If you can get your hands on an Infoserver, I highly recommend it.
No problem getting an infoserver, I must admit slight embarrassment at not
remembering that, also in not remembering that the infoserver was the
recommended load device for the 6xxx series VAXen. I hope my infoserver
isn't at work since I'm not going to be back there till next Thursday....
Ah, a slight problem in that my DELNI *is* at work along with my AUI-BNC
transceivers and I know I won't be able to fuss around with netbooting
things on the corporate network - I'd have to create an AUI or thinwire
network to do it.
Thanks for the reminder though :)
A
11 Nov
11 Nov
1:24 a.m.
(The only load media on this big-iron VAX is a TZ887
tape library so I'm
going to install VMS onto the boot disk by plugging it into a VAX 3100-90
with a BA350 storage shelf then all I have to do is put that disk into the
6660's HSJ50-powered storage array and boot it......try doing THAT on any
other OS :oD VMS is VMS is VMS.....)
A
That's pretty much how I install "modern" free Unixes on a few machines,
particularly ones like laptops with no removable media or ones that can't
boot from CD.
Gordon.
10 Nov
10 Nov
11:31 a.m.
At 11:59 PM +0800 11/10/05, Wai-Sun Chia wrote:
On 11/10/05, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at
gmail.com> wrote:
Personally I bought the DECstation I have somewhere specifically to
run NetBSD, not that I could tell you where that system is at the
moment. Something to consider about Ultrix is that it is quite old
at this point, and doesn't get any updates. NetBSD does.
Zane
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The problem is that Ultrix doesn't *feel* all
that different from NetBSD.
I wouldn't know that until I've checked it out, wouldn't I?
Now you've gone and spoiled it..:-) 
12 Nov
12 Nov
8:13 p.m.
I'd like to find an Ultrix CD for Vaxstations...
Be kind of interesting to compare it with NetBSD/OpenBSD...
Bill
Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Wai-Sun Chia wrote:
Hello,
Anybody have a ISO copy of the last version of Ultrix (4.5?) for the
DECstation 500/2xx ?
Somehow NetBSD isn't satisfying enough.. :-)
I have one... somewhere...
How soon do you need it? FWIW, I don't find Ultrix that satisfying.
Peace... Sridhar
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