23 Sep
2005
23 Sep
'05
1:15 p.m.
Taking money out of your Pay-Pal account, and not having a balance, will not
in any way stop Pay-Pal if they decide to "take" money from your account.
In order to have a Pay-Pal account, you must give Pay-Pal the right to take
money either from your credit card or your bank account (and usually you are
pressured to make both available). If there is a "chargeback", this gives
them the legal right -- enforceable in court if necessary -- to take that
money from you via either the credit card or the bank account, even if it's
months later and you no longer have a Pay-Pal balance. And, if the credit
card and checking accounts in question are closed, to collect it in the same
manner as any other alleged debt through a legal action.
That said, I have had problems with Pay-Pal transactions, and so have people
who I know (one whose entire account was "stolen" to the tune of thousands
of dollars), and, in the end, after some hassle and some time, it was all
resolved "satisfactorily".
23 Sep
23 Sep
1:58 p.m.
On 9/23/05, Barry Watzman <Watzman at neo.rr.com> wrote:
Taking money out of your Pay-Pal account, and not having a balance, will not
in any way stop Pay-Pal if they decide to "take" money from your account.
Right, but the advantage of keeping a PayPal-only account is that you
don't have your _main_ account frozen during a dispute. Mortgage
companies don't want to hear that you can't pay them because your
account is entangled.
I use PayPal and have never had a problem, but I don't sell with it.
I buy. If I ever get into selling, I'm expecting to open a
small-business account just for PayPal transactions. It's just
another business expense.
-ethan
4:50 p.m.
That said, I have had problems with Pay-Pal
transactions, and so have people
who I know (one whose entire account was "stolen" to the tune of thousands
of dollars), and, in the end, after some hassle and some time, it was all
resolved "satisfactorily".
Just in:
Paypal just blasted me warning that "my" paypal account is closed!
What? Closing a pretend account? I don't open paypal with them, for
that reason of this idiocity. I still have this silly "scary" email
from paypal for anyone to check.
What I can tell is that:
The ebay seller is using paypal and I refused to deal with this so I
sent seller a payment in cash and accepted it because seller just
told me got the money and sent the item. (in this case an PCIII
Lunchbox).
Cheers, Wizard
8:48 p.m.
Just in:
Paypal just blasted me warning that "my" paypal account is closed!
What? Closing a pretend account? I don't open paypal with them, for
that reason of this idiocity. I still have this silly "scary" email
from paypal for anyone to check.
Look carefully at the headers. It purports to be from Paypal,
and wants you to go give your paypal name and password to their
fake "Paypal" website.
24 Sep
24 Sep
1:24 a.m.
Fra: "Fred Cisin" <cisin at xenosoft.com>
Also, they dont write "Dear Member" or so, but use your real name
Nico
Just in:
Paypal just blasted me warning that "my" paypal account is closed!
What? Closing a pretend account? I don't open paypal with them, for
that reason of this idiocity. I still have this silly "scary" email
from paypal for anyone to check.
Look carefully at the headers. It purports to be from Paypal,
and wants you to go give your paypal name and password to their
fake "Paypal" website.
23 Sep
23 Sep
8:56 p.m.
jpero at sympatico.ca wrote:
I get them all the time. That is a scam trying to get your
paypal log on info. Put your mouse pointer over the URL to go
to and you will notice it is to a numerical address and not to
paypal.com. Look up the numerical address and it will probably
be some third world country. I see the same thing but
supposedly from ebay also.
That said, I have had problems with Pay-Pal
transactions, and so have people
who I know (one whose entire account was "stolen" to the tune of thousands
of dollars), and, in the end, after some hassle and some time, it was all
resolved "satisfactorily".
Just in:
Paypal just blasted me warning that "my" paypal account is closed!
What? Closing a pretend account? I don't open paypal with them, for
that reason of this idiocity. I still have this silly "scary" email
from paypal for anyone to check.
What I can tell is that:
The ebay seller is using paypal and I refused to deal with this so I
sent seller a payment in cash and accepted it because seller just
told me got the money and sent the item. (in this case an PCIII
Lunchbox).
Cheers, Wizard 
10:44 p.m.
Paypal just
blasted me warning that "my" paypal account is closed!
What? Closing a pretend account?
I get them all the time. That is a scam trying
to get your paypal
log on info. Put your mouse pointer over the URL to go to and you
will notice it
is to a numerical address and not to paypal.com.
Maybe. Depending on the mailreader in use and, in some cases, how it's
configured, even that may not reveal the trickery.
The only way to be sure you're looking at the page you think you are is
to start up a Web browser separately - not by clicking anything in the
mail - and type the URL into the Web browser yourself.
And, of course, apply common sense first. If you don't have a PayPal
account, PayPal won't be asking you for info (or at least if they do
they should be told to take the same hike a scammer should); if you
don't bank with CitiBank, a mail from CitiBank about problems with your
account can't be for real; etc.
Look up the numerical address and it will probably be
some third
world country. I see the same thing but supposedly from ebay also.
Yeah. Stick around a while and you'll probably see them "from" more
organizations. I've seen phishes "from" at least three banks, paypal,
and ebay - none of which I've done business with.
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7:06 p.m.
Paypal just blasted me warning that "my"
paypal account is closed!
What? Closing a pretend account?
I get them all the time. That is a scam trying
to get your paypal
log on info. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse
\ / Ribbon Campaign
X Against HTML mouse at rodents.montreal.qc.ca
/ \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
I wanted to give you heads up with all this paypal thing.
The reason was I showed this, I was just aware that I know email is
not one to give info away ON REQUEST. If I have to do it I must go
to my intitutions and do it in person or by phone, or go directly to
website but not by this method, depending.
Cheers, Wizard
11:31 p.m.
der Mouse wrote:
Right. Phishing, it's called. The idea is to send you mail "from"
Snip
Maybe I should report them to the state boys since I doubt they
have a valid Alabama phishing license. :-)
Paypal
just blasted me warning that "my" paypal account is closed!
What? Closing a pretend account?
I get them all the time. That is a scam trying
to get your paypal
log on info. 
24 Sep
24 Sep
8:41 a.m.
Phishing
Consider yourself lucky the ones who are so naiive on this subject. I have
received over 200 such messages in the last year and a half, just PayPal.
Watch the mouseover resolutions of links to quickly verify that they are
baddies. If that fails, then move your mouse to the extreme right margin
and drag select back to the left to see if the link text is actually an
image. Just two tricks that are used. Viewing HTML source for HREF's
is just about the only absolute proof.
Oh yeah, and if you view these emails while offline only, IMG='s that are
generated from server CGI's can't get your IP address for their hitcounters.
Lets raise Jon Postel from the dead, IETF: Immediate Action Required.
John A.
sorry for the crypticism
10:42 a.m.
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:41:34 -0400
"John Allain" <allain at panix.com> wrote:
have
Phishing
Consider yourself lucky the ones who are so naiive on this subject. I received over 200 such messages in the last year and a
half, just
PayPal.
Watch the mouseover resolutions of links to quickly
verify that they
are
baddies. If that fails, then move your mouse to the
extreme right
margin
and drag select back to the left to see if the link
text is actually
an
image. Just two tricks that are used. Viewing HTML
source for
HREF's
is just about the only absolute proof.
That, or specifically using a mail client that 'breaks' HTML Mail. I
get 'spam' all the time that consists of the babble nonsense they put in
the 'plaintext' section to foil anti-spam mechanisms. Then there's a
'graphic attachment' that I *could* view if I wanted to bother. With a
client like Lookout Express, Microsoft decides that for the user.
11:42 a.m.
>>>> "jpero" == jpero <jpero
at sympatico.ca> writes:
> That said, I have had problems with Pay-Pal
transactions, and so
> have people who I know (one whose entire account was "stolen" to
> the tune of thousands of dollars), and, in the end, after some
> hassle and some time, it was all resolved "satisfactorily".
jpero> Just in:
jpero> Paypal just blasted me warning that "my" paypal account is
jpero> closed! What? Closing a pretend account? I don't open paypal
jpero> with them, for that reason of this idiocity. I still have
jpero> this silly "scary" email from paypal for anyone to check.
That wasn't Paypal, that was a phishing attack.
paul
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allain＠panix.com -
chenmel＠earthlink.net -
cisin＠xenosoft.com -
ethan.dicks＠gmail.com -
john＠guntersville.net -
jpero＠sympatico.ca -
mouse＠Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA -
nico＠FARUMDATA.DK -
pkoning＠equallogic.com -
Watzman＠neo.rr.com