26 Jun
2001
26 Jun
'01
4:28 a.m.
Just 'cuz ethernet cards are $9 now and mice sell
for as little as $1 doesn't
mean they always did. You gotta remember the 1% rule (although it applies
more to systems than peripherals) - ten years later, you can get a computer
for 1% of its original purchase price. There are exceptions, of course, and
much later, say, twenty years, it's not as cheap as 1% anymore, but that's
due to scarcity and eBay fever.
Not to mention that designing and producing a very low production board
such as the ethernet board for the IIGS surely isn't cheap. The volume just
isn't there to drive the price down. Michael Holley has finished the design
of a new floppy controller for the SS-50 bus machines and has a few examples
running and is testing them, but after paying for the fabrication of the PCB
and the various chips and other parts, the finished board is costing nearly
$100 in parts alone. I would imagine most on this list would balk at paying
that much but it certainly would fill a void if you were in desperate need
of a new floppy controller to get a machine up.
Jeff
26 Jun
26 Jun
4:15 a.m.
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote:
Not to mention that designing and producing a very
low production
board such as the ethernet board for the IIGS surely isn't cheap.
The volume just isn't there to drive the price down. Michael Holley
has finished the design of a new floppy controller for the SS-50 bus
machines and has a few examples running and is testing them, but after
paying for the fabrication of the PCB and the various chips and other
parts, the finished board is costing nearly $100 in parts alone. I
would imagine most on this list would balk at paying that much but it
certainly would fill a void if you were in desperate need of a new
floppy controller to get a machine up.
I'm actually interested in one for purposes of data conversion (his card
will allow a 3.5" drive to be connected to an SS-50 machine).
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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7:19 a.m.
--- Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
Absolutely. I sold the GG2 Bus+ board for $139 when it was new (they are
now $99 ;-) only because I couldn't get people to pay more. I was competing
against used Zorro ethernet boards that went for ~$200 so my board plus a
$40 new ISA ethernet card was at least a little cheaper than a used Zorro
card (had to compensate somehow for the fact that mine took up two slots).
You could _do_ more with a GG2 Bus+ than just ethernet, but by 1996, nobody
cared about adding serial ports or IDE disks. Lately, the value of an extra
slot is more than it used to be, and there are multiple alternatives because
the price of Amiga ethernet stayed so high for so long, more than one person
decided to cash in on the market, such that it was. I know that I personally
never have to worry about networking Amigas - I have more cards than I will
ever own computers (and more blank PCBs than populated cards!)
I've been kicking around the idea of an OMNIBUS SCSI card since I met cjl
person-to-person for the first time in 1994. I've never really done much
with the idea because I might as well make a prototype and publish the
schematics because I don't see people coughing up enough money per board
to fund even a run of 10. (Yes, I know there already is an OMNIBUS SCSI
card; that's one of the things that cjl and I talked about; no, I don't
have one; no, I've never seen one, let alone one for sale).
The fact that anyone at all is considering making new hardware, at new
costs for old machines that sell for pennies on the dollar (witness the
IDE-64 or Jeri's new gfx board or this ethernet card, to name a few),
is astonishing. The last C-64 I got cost me about $3. I dropped several
times that to get a rev 1 IDE-64, and more than twice that for a hard disk
for it (an HP 1.3" KittyHawk). How many other systems are there where
the peripherals cost 25 times the base CPU?
So either it's worth it, or it isn't. I wasn't shocked when I saw the
price for the Apple II ethernet card. I would have been shocked if it
had been $500. Still, as someone here (Mike Ford?) pointed out, LocalTalk
is adequate. Considering the state of the TCP/IP stack (no router access?!?),
I'm inclined to agree.
-ethan
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Just 'cuz
ethernet cards are $9 now...
Not to mention that designing and producing a very low production board
such as the ethernet board for the IIGS surely isn't cheap. The volume just
isn't there to drive the price down. 
27 Jun
27 Jun
5:11 a.m.
Jeff Hellige wrote:
10 stops at the thrift store for 10 items that are stacked up collecting dust is
the same. I think I would rather have the controller. Only thing is that I have
too many corners in my
house, or maybe not enough? :))
Eric
Just 'cuz
ethernet cards are $9 now and mice sell for as little as $1 doesn't
mean they always did. You gotta remember the 1% rule (although it applies
more to systems than peripherals) - ten years later, you can get a computer
for 1% of its original purchase price. There are exceptions, of course, and
much later, say, twenty years, it's not as cheap as 1% anymore, but that's
due to scarcity and eBay fever.
Not to mention that designing and producing a very low production board
such as the ethernet board for the IIGS surely isn't cheap. The volume just
isn't there to drive the price down. Michael Holley has finished the design
of a new floppy controller for the SS-50 bus machines and has a few examples
running and is testing them, but after paying for the fabrication of the PCB
and the various chips and other parts, the finished board is costing nearly
$100 in parts alone. I would imagine most on this list would balk at paying
that much but it certainly would fill a void if you were in desperate need
of a new floppy controller to get a machine up.
Jeff
9:12 a.m.
New subject: Wanted: VT420/510 terminals
Anybody have two VT 320 or 420 or perhaps 510 terminals for sale??? Let me know, I
need a pair of them to leave connected to some Sun E420r's for console access,
thanks.
Curt
7:07 a.m.
New subject: Wanted: VT420/510 terminals
Anybody have two VT 320 or 420 or perhaps 510 terminals
for sale??? Let
me know, I
need a pair of them to leave connected to some Sun E420r's for console access,
thanks.
I've a few with similar numbers, but prefer not to mess with shipping out
of SoCal.
7:18 a.m.
New subject: Wanted: VT420/510 terminals
Anybody have two VT 320 or 420 or perhaps 510
terminals for sale??? Let me know, I
need a pair of them to leave connected to some Sun E420r's for console access,
thanks.
If the systems are close you can use one VT420, VT520, or VT525.
I really like the VT525, as it uses a standard VGA monitor and
PS/2 keyboard (I use an LK461) and supports up to three serial
lines.
I see the VT525 base show up on eBay quite often, at a reasonable
price. Shipping doesn't cost much, either, as it is the size of
a Multia and lighter.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
28 Jun
28 Jun
2 a.m.
New subject: seeking settings for DEC M3107 DHQ11 QBUS module
Hi,
does anyone have the users guide to hand (or know where it is online) to
detail for me the switch settings for this board and also the pinnouts from
the card ribbon connectors?
thanks
greg
7:04 a.m.
New subject: seeking settings for DEC M3107 DHQ11 QBUS module
Same as the DHV11 :-) Send me your snail mail address off list and I'll put
a couple of cab kits in the mail to you (these have 4 DB25 connectors and
connect with a 40 pin ribbon cable)
--Chuck
At 03:00 PM 6/28/01 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,
does anyone have the users guide to hand (or know where it is online) to
detail for me the switch settings for this board and also the pinnouts from
the card ribbon connectors?
thanks
greg
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