Hi Jeff, I have found several on bitsavers.org and maybe one other place. There may be some overlap with what you found but I would be willing to email them to you if you're interested. They're whoppers, about 1M a piece. I guess that is nothing today, but this is my first post and I don't want to start sending attachments to the list. It usually takes right about a week for me to become persona non-grata and I don't want to give anybody an excuse to change the timetable. I don't like change. So the best thing is for you to get them now before I get thrown out of here. I have about 6 different coding forms that I can find at the moment. I could swear I had an RPG coding form but I cannot find it and anyway I've been trying to cut down. I have 3 assembler forms including one in German or Swiss (both Greek to me) and one for System/3. The others are for COBOL and FORTRAN and a weird print layout form for a 150 character width page. I don't know who came up with that abomination since where I come from everybody knows anything past 132 columns isn't worth reading. I am constantly trying to find a way to deal with the huge quantity of archival stuff I have and haven't succeeded until now. There may be more hidden somewhere. I would like to say "Hello" to the list members and thank the list owner for providing the list and the website owner for providing the web site. My background is large IBM systems but I am interested in just about anything that lights up, hums, smokes, or goes bang when you get the wires twisted the wrong way. I am interested in programming languages, usually the older the better although IBM (mainframe) assembler will always be my favorite. At the moment I'm on a retro computing spree trying to learn how to code in DOS assembler. I am having a hard time finding books for that online.