16 Dec
2015
16 Dec
'15
10:17 a.m.
From: Brent Hilpert
I threw out a print-only selectric a few years ago ...
Regret it now,
just because it would have been fun to figure it out. C'est la vie.
I can top that.
MIT offered me (as a gift) the PDP-11/45 that I used to run; it included a
pair of CalComp 50MB drives, a pair of RK05s, an ABLE ENABLE, 3 H960's, lots
of other goodies. I blew it off, I was too busy dealing with other things at
the time (I was on the IESG at that point) to deal with arranging to get it
shipped down to me. They gave it to someone else, and near as I can work out,
eventually it got scrapped.
Every time I think about it I kick myself... Sigh!
Although I suspect a lot of people here have stories like that...
Noel
16 Dec
16 Dec
10:45 a.m.
New subject: Decisions you regret Was: Mystery IC: Allen Bradley 314B102
On 16 December 2015 at 15:17, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
the time (I was on the IESG at that point) to deal
with arranging to get it
shipped down to me. They gave it to someone else, and near as I can work
out,
eventually it got scrapped.
Every time I think about it I kick myself... Sigh!
Although I suspect a lot of people here have stories like that...
So far the only thing I regret dumping is a VT180 and VT52 back in the 90s,
and I kind of regret passing on my 'big box' TRS80s (model II/III/IV) in
2010 but I was moving to a smaller house so a lot of my bigger machines
went.
--
adrian/witchy
Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest home computer collection?
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
12:01 p.m.
New subject: Decisions you regret Was: Mystery IC: Allen Bradley 314B102
On 12/16/2015 9:17 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Yup. Same here.
Was at University of Wisconsin surplus, maybe 25 years ago - used to
make regular trips over there, and they knew me pretty well too, and
sent a couple of machines my way once they were not interested in them
anymore.
Anywho, I was looking at a couple of 19" racks containing an odd
computer of some sort. Had this funny square keyboard, and what looked
like LINCTapes to me. Looked kinda "home brew", using DEC Flip Chips.
Well a couple of years later I saw a photo of a LINC, and then it was
"head slap" time - I realized I had passed up a LINC. Could have had it
for $25. I fear it was probably scrapped.
Sigh.
From: Brent
Hilpert
I threw out a print-only selectric a few years
ago ... Regret it now,
just because it would have been fun to figure it out. C'est la vie.
I can top that.
MIT offered me (as a gift) the PDP-11/45 that I used to run; it included a
pair of CalComp 50MB drives, a pair of RK05s, an ABLE ENABLE, 3 H960's, lots
of other goodies. I blew it off, I was too busy dealing with other things at
the time (I was on the IESG at that point) to deal with arranging to get it
shipped down to me. They gave it to someone else, and near as I can work out,
eventually it got scrapped.
Every time I think about it I kick myself... Sigh!
Although I suspect a lot of people here have stories like that...
Noel
12:11 p.m.
New subject: Decisions you regret Was: Mystery IC: Allen Bradley 314B102
There are similar regrets on a smaller scale. I have one or two of the programs I wrote
early on, in listing form. Most I did not save, nor did I save paper tapes or card decks.
I have none of the OS/360 programs I wrote in college -- rather unfortunate because there
were some unusual things in them.
Similarly, there are manuals I used to have that have disappeared; many of those exist
elsewhere so I can still get the data, but some I have not seen. CDC Algol 68 manual?
CDC 7054 buffer controller programming manual?
So it's not just devices that need to be grabbed when possible, but code and
documentation as well.
paul
3:25 p.m.
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Subject: Re: Decisions you regret Was: Mystery IC: Allen Bradley 314B102
There are similar regrets on a smaller scale. I have one or two of the
programs I wrote early on, in listing form. Most I did not save, nor did
I save
paper tapes or card decks. I have none of the OS/360
programs I wrote in
college -- rather unfortunate because there were some unusual things in
them.
Similarly, there are manuals I used to have that have disappeared; many of
those exist elsewhere so I can still get the data, but some I have not
seen.
CDC Algol 68 manual? CDC 7054 buffer controller
programming manual?
I remember using a flavour of Algol 68 on a CDC machine at University, I
think it was a CDC Cyber 17<mumble>, and it may have been Algol68-R.
I would still love to find the TOPS-20 port of Algol68C.
So it's not just devices that need to be grabbed when possible, but code
and
documentation as well.
Agreed!
Rob
4:36 p.m.
New subject: Decisions you regret Was: Mystery IC: Allen Bradley 314B102
On Dec 16, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Robert Jarratt
<robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
No, it was a version developed by CDC Rijswijk (Holland), documented in a thesis I have
lying around somewhere.
paul
...
Similarly, there are manuals I used to have that have disappeared; many of
those exist elsewhere so I can still get the data, but some I have not
seen.
CDC Algol 68 manual? CDC 7054 buffer controller
programming manual?
I remember using a flavour of Algol 68 on a CDC machine at University, I
think it was a CDC Cyber 17<mumble>, and it may have been Algol68-R. 
12:48 p.m.
New subject: Decisions you regret Was: Mystery IC: Allen Bradley 314B102
On 12/16/2015 11:01 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
Anywho, I was looking at a couple of 19" racks
containing
an odd computer of some sort. Had this funny square
keyboard, and what looked like LINCTapes to me. Looked
kinda "home brew", using DEC Flip Chips. Well a couple of
years later I saw a photo of a LINC, and then it was "head
slap" time - I realized I had passed up a LINC. Could have
had it for $25. I fear it was probably scrapped. Sigh.
A Classic LINC used
"system building blocks", generally
single-sided boards with an aluminum frame around the board,
and a single-row 22-pin connector that was a separate piece,
not a card-edge connector.
The little keyboard on the Classic LINC was made by Soroban,
and it was indeed funny. Each keystroke locked the
keyboard, and when the program picked up the character from
the buffer, the keyboard unlocked. The delay was often
heard, as LAP-6 spent 99% of the time refreshing the screen.
If it was real flip-chip modules with the little molded
plastic handle, that would have been a LINC-8 or PDP-12.
Jon
5:54 p.m.
New subject: Decisions you regret Was: Mystery IC: Allen Bradley 314B102
On 12/16/2015 11:48 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
On 12/16/2015 11:01 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
I would have recognized a LINC 8. It may well be that I mis-remembered
them being Flip Chip modules.
Anywho, I was looking at a couple of 19"
racks containing an odd
computer of some sort. Had this funny square keyboard, and what looked
like LINCTapes to me. Looked kinda "home brew", using DEC Flip Chips.
Well a couple of years later I saw a photo of a LINC, and then it was
"head slap" time - I realized I had passed up a LINC. Could have had
it for $25. I fear it was probably scrapped. Sigh.
A Classic LINC used
"system building blocks", generally single-sided
boards with an aluminum frame around the board, and a single-row 22-pin
connector that was a separate piece, not a card-edge connector.
The little keyboard on the Classic LINC was made by Soroban, and it was
indeed funny. Each keystroke locked the keyboard, and when the program
picked up the character from the buffer, the keyboard unlocked. The
delay was often heard, as LAP-6 spent 99% of the time refreshing the
screen.
If it was real flip-chip modules with the little molded plastic handle,
that would have been a LINC-8 or PDP-12.
Jon
17 Dec
17 Dec
12:07 p.m.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:17:20AM -0500, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Although I suspect a lot of people here have stories like that...
Most of the stories here top mine but I keep kicking myself for
leaving a DEC prioris behind. It's a relatively bulky x86 but it
uses the same PSU as a broken AlphaServer 1000 4/233 I have. I
suspected it was the case but I thought the prioris was to big
for a PSU that might fit the alpha.
Anyone wants an AS 1000 4/233 with bad PSU?
/P
12:19 p.m.
New subject: Decisions you regret Was: Mystery IC: Allen Bradley 314B102
On 17 December 2015 at 17:07, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at update.uu.se> wrote:
Most of the stories here top mine but I keep kicking
myself for
leaving a DEC prioris behind. It's a relatively bulky x86 but it
uses the same PSU as a broken AlphaServer 1000 4/233 I have. I
suspected it was the case but I thought the prioris was to big
for a PSU that might fit the alpha.
Anyone wants an AS 1000 4/233 with bad PSU?
I really hope the AS1000 PSU is different to the Alpha 1200 because we
scrapped 2 of those yesterday along with 12 fully loaded Alpha4100s.
--
adrian/witchy
Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest home computer collection?
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
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