You've got a problem on this and the notebook as there wasn't a "First", there was the first PowerMac 6100/60 - March '94 PowerMac 7100/66 - March '94 PowerMac 8100/80 - March '94 Mac Portable - late '89 (not a notebook) PowerBook 100 - October '91 PowerBook 140 - October '91 PowerBook 170 - October '91 Well, you might want to turn off HTML when posting to this list. If I'd been posting reading from a UNIX box like I normally do these days instead of my PowerMac G4, I'd have ignored your questions because they'd have been to much trouble to read. Also I think you might want to find a copy of the following book: Macworld Mac & PowerMac Secrets 2nd Edition by David Pogue & Joseph Schorr IDG Books (c) 1994 ISBN 1-56884-175-2 It's where I got the above info and has information on all the Mac's you list above as well as help on software of the era. I picked it up when I got my first Mac in '95 (a beautiful PowerBook 520c that changed what I expect from consumer oriented computers (I've used them since about '81)). Wasn't really a help from the user standpoint, but had lots of interesting reading and some cool software (3 floppies). Should be fairly easy to find a copy as the 2nd Ed. made it through at least 4 printings. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |