1 Dec
1998
1 Dec
'98
2:27 p.m.
< > NT - about a day to get set up and working (or not at all in this
< > case!). Needs lots of hardware. Costs lots.
My $0.02. I just took a job where win95 and win/NT are it. I'm sure
they could be migrated to linux BUT, I'm paid (well!!) to maintain and
move their systems forward both hardware and software wise. Personally
MS stuff stinks, I'm not paid for that opinion. I'm paid to provide my
peice in helping to keep the business in the black.
The management is not married to DOS/WIN/NT as a "they are great" but
rather it does the job for the scale of business they are and within
costs. The user base however could never work with linux(unix).
Oh, Bif4win is garbage!!!!
Allison
1 Dec
1 Dec
4:02 p.m.
On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Allison J Parent wrote:
The management is not married to DOS/WIN/NT as a
"they are great" but
rather it does the job for the scale of business they are and within
costs. The user base however could never work with linux(unix).
How wrong you are, Allison. How wrong you are.
My friend is running Linux on his home PC, but if you didn't know any
better (and if you didn't look close enough) you'd swear he was running
Windows 95. The fact is that his desktop might as well BE Win95, because
it is stolen from the look & feel of Win95. Its called the Star Office
Suite. Find yourself a copy and install it on your Linux box. You'll
never boot Win95 again. You'll never need to.
Windows is dead.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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4:38 p.m.
On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Sam Ismail wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Allison J Parent wrote:
I have used both Star Office and Applix (my choice). It is *not* Win95,
no matter how much it looks like it. Users who rely on Microsoft Word and
Excel daily are usually deeply entangled in the proprietary macros and
keyboard shortcuts of them. Much of the software we use is loosely written
in VB, using third-party imaging and encryption toolkits. Our existing
data system is written in Omnis7, not portable. Our staff relys on
Physician yellow-pages CD's that only run on windows. Our field personell
use laptops and Fujitsu 600c scanners to copy medical records, whose
drivers are only released for Windows.
Linux will *not* replace Windows on the desktop in most businesses. What
Linux/FreeBSD/OSS-type systems *will* replace is the PC-based NT servers.
Anyone who has to administrate a large network/support users for a living
would not try to switch everyone to Linux and accept the responsibility
for teaching them how to use it, no matter how P.C. it becomes.
My $0.02...
Aaron C. Finney Systems Administrator WFI Incorporated
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"UNIX is an exponential algorithm with a seductively small constant."
The management is not married to DOS/WIN/NT as a
"they are great" but
rather it does the job for the scale of business they are and within
costs. The user base however could never work with linux(unix).
How wrong you are, Allison. How wrong you are.
My friend is running Linux on his home PC, but if you didn't know any
better (and if you didn't look close enough) you'd swear he was running
Windows 95. The fact is that his desktop might as well BE Win95, because
it is stolen from the look & feel of Win95. Its called the Star Office
Suite. Find yourself a copy and install it on your Linux box. You'll
never boot Win95 again. You'll never need to. 
5:07 p.m.
On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Aaron Christopher Finney wrote:
Linux will *not* replace Windows on the desktop in
most businesses. What
Linux/FreeBSD/OSS-type systems *will* replace is the PC-based NT servers.
True, and that's mostly because X Window development sucks even more than
Microsoft Windows development, which really isn't a Linux fault per se.
There really isn't a good "open source" GUI alternative to Windows yet, so
the best approach for now is to emulate the Win32 API on top of Linux to
run legacy Win32 apps, and get to work on a nice clean simple GUI and GUI
API.
For Win32 emulation, Willows looks promising:
http://www.willows.com/
But, you're right, I find it much easier to sneak Linux into the server
side of a corporation than into the client/desktop side. Maybe if Java
performance and look+feel improve another order of magnitude, that won't
be as much of an issue.
ObCC: Has anybody heard of a personal computer called Simon (circa 1950)?
It was sold as kit plans, and cost about $300 to put together. I *really*
want to find a copy of those plans.
-- Doug
5:17 p.m.
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On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Aaron Christopher Finney wrote:
keyboard shortcuts of them. Much of the software we
use is loosely written
in VB, using third-party imaging and encryption toolkits. Our existing
data system is written in Omnis7, not portable. Our staff relys on
Physician yellow-pages CD's that only run on windows. Our field personell
use laptops and Fujitsu 600c scanners to copy medical records, whose
drivers are only released for Windows.
So? Everything you name here can be done under Linux with a few changes
in hardware and software. Sure it would be unfeasable for your office to
do it, but a new office just starting out could standardize on tools
readily available under Linux.
Linux will *not* replace Windows on the desktop in
most businesses. What
Linux/FreeBSD/OSS-type systems *will* replace is the PC-based NT servers.
Heheheh.
Windows is dead.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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