18 Aug
2005
18 Aug
'05
12:18 p.m.
Anyone have a TK30 manual?
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2:26 p.m.
Doc wrote:
Zane H. Healy wrote:
My guess is that there is something wrong with that drive. I've never heard
a TZ30 "screech". I've had them plugged into my PDP-11 as well as VAXen
and
Alpha's.
Zane
Don't you mean a TZ30 manual? What do you
need to know?
How to make the damn thing quit screeching whenever it's attached to
a bus and powered on? 
19 Aug
19 Aug
12:10 p.m.
Doc Shipley wrote:
Zane H. Healy wrote:
How to make the damn thing quit screeching whenever it's attached to
a bus and powered on?
Screaming TZ30's usually mean a hardware problem.
Is the plastic leader still attached correctly?
This is one of the most common problems with these
type of drives.
This leader is permanetly attached to the internal take-up reel,
threaded past the heads, and attached so that it can hook onto
the loop in the TK50 cartridge.
When they get loose, You can usually hear them flapping the
end of the hook against the casing in an, often successful,
attempt at destroying the hook on the end of the leader.
Anyone
have a TK30 manual?
Don't you mean a TZ30 manual? What do you need to know? Doc
12:57 p.m.
Kevin Handy wrote:
Doc Shipley wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion, but I've BTDT with the leader on both TK50
and TZ30. The leader is attached on both the TZ30s that are screaming.
In fact, both drives will successfully load, unload, and allow
insertion/ejection of a cartridge, as long as they aren't plugged in to
a SCSI bus. I've tried them on a PDP-11, a MV3100-90, and a PeeCee with
an old Tekram SCSI adapter.
And yes, I'm attaching the ribbon cable correctly - I have a third
TZ30 that works perfectly on the same systems.
Doc
Zane H. Healy wrote:
How to make the damn thing quit screeching whenever it's attached to
a bus and powered on?
Screaming TZ30's usually mean a hardware problem.
Is the plastic leader still attached correctly?
This is one of the most common problems with these
type of drives. Anyone
have a TK30 manual?
Don't you mean a TZ30 manual? What do you need to know?
18 Aug
18 Aug
2:44 p.m.
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Nope, TK30.
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Anyone have a
TK30 manual?
Don't you mean a TZ30 manual? What do you need to know? 
2:59 p.m.
Nope, TK30.
There was a TK50 (and a TK70 etc.). There was also
a TZ30, which was a TK50 with a SCSI interface.
There was even (before all of those) a TK25.
But I've never ever heard of a TK30.
What is it? Is it DEC kit at all?
Antonio
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6:02 p.m.
But I've never ever heard of a TK30.
It's not in the Edited Option/Module lists I have, and they list some
pretty obscure CSS stuff (e.g. RX03, RQDX4).
If Sellam could provide a description (e.g. "QIC" would mean some TK25
variant most likely, "square cartridges" would mean really a TZ30, etc.)
it would help.
Tim.
19 Aug
19 Aug
10:15 a.m.
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Tim Shoppa wrote:
Ok, I guess it's the same as the TZ30, according to this web page:
http://www.varx.com/mwp/TAPES/TK30.HTML
So TK30/TZ30, doesn't matter to me. What I really need to know is what
does the manual look like? I know I have one but I need to know what it
looks like in order to jog my memory as to where it may be hiding in my
warehouse :)
Yes, I'm strange.
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But I've
never ever heard of a TK30.
It's not in the Edited Option/Module lists I have, and they list some
pretty obscure CSS stuff (e.g. RX03, RQDX4).
If Sellam could provide a description (e.g. "QIC" would mean some TK25
variant most likely, "square cartridges" would mean really a TZ30, etc.)
it would help.
12:15 p.m.
Ok, I guess it's the same as the TZ30, according to
this web page:
http://www.varx.com/mwp/TAPES/TK30.HTML
So TK30/TZ30, doesn't matter to me.
Humbug. How can you sit there and complain when someone
incorrectly cites XYZ as the first Foobar and then quote some
random page as evidence that a mythical TK30 ever existed?
The TK50 was the first DEC drive of the series (the TK25
was QIC-like IIRC so I do not count that). Then along came
SCSI-ish variant followed by a real SCSI variant and a higher
capacity version (the TK70). Somewhere along the line
a more compact form of the same drive came out - that
was the TZ30. It was a TK50 in all the essentials but it
did real SCSI. Someone somewhere goofed when putting
together the web page.
Anyway, here's a picture:
http://www.compsy.de/index1.htm?gebr-vax/geb-scsi.htm~text
And here is an online book that shows you the buttons (it's
part of a DEC 4000 manual but it should be good enough).
http://www.sysworks.com.au/disk$axpdocdec971/sysman/d3qlaaa1.bkb
http://www.sysworks.com.au/disk$axpdocdec971/sysman/d3qlaaa1.p86.bkb#514
Failing that, Manx (http://vt100.net/manx) should be able to scare
up a TK50 manual - from what I remember the buttons are pretty
much the same.
If you really do want a paper manual, then it will be A5-ish in size
and with either a grey or white cover. It might say TK50 on the front
:-)
Antonio
arcarlini at iee.org
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