New subject: Tantalum capacitors (was: LCIII Recap - Apple design fault -47uF reversed!)

11 Apr 2013

Hey can anyone shed some light on this topic?

LCIII Recap - Apple design fault -47uF reversed!

http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=20936

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   1. Re: 10 worst computers of all time (Tony Duell)
   2. Re: What is the correct material to use.. (Tony Duell)
   3. Re: pdp-11/23 config (allison)
   4. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
      (Ethan Dicks)
   5. Re: What is the correct material to use.. (Tothwolf)
   6. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (ben)
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      (Dave McGuire)
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      (Cory Smelosky)
  10. Re: H780 power supply (Mouse)
  11. Re: Huge Lot of Vintage Computers- Local Pick up preferred in
      Flushing Michigan (David Riley)
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      (Ian King)
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 Message: 1
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:15:05 +0100 (BST)
 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: 10 worst computers of all time
 Message-ID: <m1UQ2MJ-000J4fC at p850ug1>
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   TI 99/4a.
 Cliff Click gave up in disgust trying to program this
 thing.    nuf said.  
 You do have a point. Interesting architecture & so on, but...
 registers in external DRAM? Really?  
 IIRC, the worst feature wa that (in the base configuration) there was 
 almsot no RAM (if any at all) on the processor bus. Yor BASIC program ws 
 stored in spare locations of the video RAM. This meant that (a) readign 
 the BASIC program to execute it was ridiculously slow and (b) you 
 couldn't program it in machine code (since the RAM was not on the 
 processor bus). ARGH!

 I think I Would put the VAX 11/730 on the list of 'daftest hardware 
 designs'. even though I like the machine overall. The processor microcode 
 is stored in DRAM. No I am not joking. This means that the procesosr has 
 to be haled every few ms while the control store RAM is refreshed. Every 
 other machine I've see with a writeable control store (that is, the 
 microcode is in RAM not ROM) has ued static RAM for this, for obvious 
 reasons.

 -tony

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 Message: 2
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:04:47 +0100 (BST)
 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: What is the correct material to use..
 Message-ID: <m1UQ38P-000J4kC at p850ug1>
 Content-Type: text/plain

 I'm in the process of restoring some original Macs (a 128 and 512) with a
 friend and we have come across an issue with a floppy drive that is
 strictly mechanical, and am wondering what others have done.

 On the original 400K floppies there is a pin on the side that moves up and
 down as the floppy goes in, and is ejected which in some sense locks the
 floppy in either position.   On one of these drives, the pivot point where
 this pin connects to the rest of the mechanism isn't as "free" as it
should
 be, and initially caused the drive to be either stuck in the open or closed
 position.  We've cleaned around the pin (Q-tips and isopropyl alcohol) and
 then lubricated it with some WD-40 (using Q-tip as well) as a start.  This  
 N omatter waht is says o nthe can, Wanton Destruciton 40 is nto a 
 usitable lubricant for small mechanisms. In fact this might be what is 
 gummign things up

 On similar SOny drive,s I take them apart as far as possible and creally 
 clean the parts with propan-2-ol. Keep on workign them back and forth to 
 get the gunged-up grease out. 

 Normally they will work properly with no lubricant at all. And wear on 
 osemthing like an eject mechansim should be minimal. 

 -tony

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 Message: 3
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:42:40 -0400
 From: allison <ajp166 at verizon.net>
 To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: pdp-11/23 config
 Message-ID: <5165EAE0.4000005 at verizon.net>
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 On 04/10/2013 11:42 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
   Arno
Kletzander wrote:  
  OK, seems we mixed up logically and physically
large drives here.
 I have about none of the first, but several of the latter category 
 amongst those in question for the machines we're discussing here:
 1(2)x RD53 5,25" MFM

   Please be aware that most (maybe now almost all) RD53
 drives have failed with the head stuck problem.  If you have
 an RD53 which can still be read, it is strongly suggested that
 you copy the contents to a more reliable drive.  It is possible
 to open and remove the sticky mess without a clean room,
 but read the notes over the past 5 or 10 years which describe
 how it should be done.  I would agree to use an RD53 as a
 scratch drive for temporary storage, but not for saving files
 after the drive is powered down.  If anyone has any MTBF
 stats after the sticky mess has been removed in terms of
 how many hours of actually using the drive, that would be
 helpful.
   I have one I did that on back in the late 80s and it still runs.
 I's gotten at least three years solid power on time in a PC
 and after retirement there Its in a current PDP11 and still
 runs at least 30 hours a year.

 I have a bunch I've done that to.  A few have failed due to
 controller board issues (saved as media spares) and one
 the media is physically good but the controller borked
 and wrote all over the servo tracks.  No reformat possible
 for the servo information.

 It was a very good drive save for the gummy rubber bumper
 in the head assembly.

   1x 300MB
5,25" ESDI,

   I have a number of Micropolis ESDI and Hitachi ESDI
 drives which seem to be quite reliable.  Most are the
 Hitachi DK-515 ESDI 5 1/4" 600 MB drives.  They
 are used with a PDP-11/83 system with their own
 PC type power supply and fan since I doubt that using
 the internal power supply from the BA123 is helpful.
   The Hitachi were among the best.

 The Quantum D540s were also near bullet proof.

  Those Hitachi drives arrived 4 in a box with that
PC
 type power supply in the first place which emulated
 one of the VAX type of drives which DEC supported.
 Since the ESDI drives were exactly what I wanted for
 the PDP-11/83 and the DEC reseller had no demand
 for these drives from VAX users, the price and usage
 was perfect for the PDP-11/83 with an MSCP EDSI
 controller.  Normally, I used 3 * 600 MB drives which
 were usually all identical with drive 0 being the production
 drive and drives 1 and 2 being backups.
   Most of the VAXEN (qbus) wanted drive larger than 300mb
 as VMS V5 barely fits in 150mb and with users and added
 software even 300mb is getting thin.

   3x 5MB
14" RL01,
 1x 10MB 14" RL02,

   VERY reasonable for a small RT-11 system, but prone
 to hardware problems (especially filters) in the long run.
   RL02 was far more reliable and more common.  10MB happens to
 be a handy size for PDP11.

   (2x 80MB
14" SMD) (I just have a lead on those yet)

   The ESDI drives are more reliable and faster.  ESDI controllers
 were also less expensive and more available.

  [TK50 tape subsystem]
   From my point of view, one of the worst backups that
 DEC ever produced.  While making a simple copy of
 a large file is reasonable, the lack of a reasonable
 streaming capability makes use of small files or a verify
 of a large file extremely difficult.  On the other hand,
 the TK70 is a good, fast, reliable drive which I used
 for many years as my primary backup until I found
 some Sony SMO S-501 magneto optical drives.
   ;)
 I just can't say enough nice things about TK50.
 (set user/mode:sarcasm=off)

 But they were the common transfer media and big for its time.
 that and I have a small bin full of Compact Tape I media with
 stuff on it.  Tk70 was the one to have.

 There is also TLZ04 tape.

 Allison

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 Message: 4
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:51:46 -0400
 From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
 Message-ID:
 	<CAALmimnHsy2-NKY8Ue5VMTgc8HUY10BjG1fdyX=bEYxGKoGrHQ at mail.gmail.com>
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 On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
 > What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex
with a computer?  
 Tasha Yar and Data?

 -ethan

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 Message: 5
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:09:27 -0500 (CDT)
 From: Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: What is the correct material to use..
 Message-ID:
 	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1304101754230.2498 at brioche.invalid.domain>
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 On Wed, 10 Apr 2013, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Geoffrey Oltmans
<oltmansg at gmail.com>wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Tothwolf
<tothwolf at concentric.net> wrote:

  As others have pointed out, WD40 isn't a
replacement for grease or 
 oil. It works great as a water displacement, such as for driving the 
 water out of parts that have been rinsed in water after cleaning with 
 a detergent based degreaser. A large percentage of WD40's ingredients 
 is a light solvent, and the small amount of oil it contains tend to 
 gum up later if not removed/supplemented by a better oil. OTOH, I do 
 not recommend the use of "3-in-1" oil for anything other than possibly 
 a door hinge. Because it is vegetable based and not petroleum based, 
 it too will gum up later.  
 Ah, good to know on the 3-in-1 stuff. Like I said before, I tend to use 
 that or the lithium grease depending on which is more readily available 
 at the moment.  
 Wait... I take that back... according to the MSDS, 3-in-1 is petroleum 
 based.

http://www.lakeland.edu/AboutUs/MSDS/PDFs/445/3-in-1%20Oil%20%28Doyle%20Mid…

 Interesting. I wonder if they've changed the formula over the years? I was 
 taught that it was vegetable based, however the high percentage of Heavy 
 Naphthenic Oil /does/ help explain why it tends to gum up, since the 
 lighter hydrocarbons are going to evaporate, leaving the heavier stuff 
 (paraffin) behind.

 I think I'll stick with something like Boeshield T-9 if I need something 
 with a high paraffin content though.

 ------------------------------

 Message: 6
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:35:01 -0600
 From: ben <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca>
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
 Message-ID: <5165F725.3040804 at jetnet.ab.ca>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 On 4/10/2013 4:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
> > What kind of warped pervert wants to have
sex with a computer? > 
> Tasha Yar and Data?
> 
> -ethan

 Give Data a break, Tasha Yar was the most computer like one.
 Ben.

 ------------------------------

 Message: 7
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:36:33 -0000
 From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net>
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
 Message-ID: <5165F781.8090203 at gewt.net>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 On 04/10/2013 06:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
> > What kind of warped pervert wants to have
sex with a computer? > 
> Tasha Yar and Data?
> 
> -ethan
> 

 Well...at least it's not the Borg queen...

 -- 
 Cory Smelosky
 http://gewt.net Personal stuff
 http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

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 Message: 8
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 19:37:07 -0400
 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
 Message-ID: <5165F7A3.90401 at neurotica.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 On 04/10/2013 06:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> > What kind of warped pervert wants to have
sex with a computer? > 
> Tasha Yar and Data?

  [cue 1970s porn music]

  "...programmed in multiple techniques..."

 -- 
 Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
 New Kensington, PA

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 Message: 9
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:52:50 -0000
 From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net>
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
 Message-ID: <5165FB52.3090805 at gewt.net>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 On 04/10/2013 07:35 PM, ben wrote:
> 
> On 4/10/2013 4:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
>> > What kind of warped pervert wants to
have sex with a computer? >> 
>> Tasha Yar and Data?
>> 
>> -ethan
>> 
>  
  > Give Data a break, Tasha Yar was the most computer like one.

 She was even more computer like than actual computers!

  Ben.

 -- 
 Cory Smelosky
 http://gewt.net Personal stuff
 http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

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 Message: 10
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:21:32 -0400 (EDT)
 From: Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: H780 power supply
 Message-ID: <201304110021.UAA22211 at Sparkle.Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  Probably not that particualr PSU, but I know that
some of the smaller
 DEC pSUs used on Qbus systems do not work correctly unloaded.  
 It wasn't a DEC PSU, but I once fried a PSU by running it with too
 little load.  (It was a Sun SPARCstation SLC or ELC, I forget which,
 and I was using the PSU without the monitor load it was designed to
 always drive - http://www.sunhelp.org/~mouse is a page I wrote up for
 sunhelp.org which, among other things, mentions the experience.)

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 Message: 11
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:21:49 -0400
 From: David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Huge Lot of Vintage Computers- Local Pick up preferred in
 	Flushing Michigan
 Message-ID: <C2FDB6FE-EDC8-49E6-8163-1A3E9F5C4F90 at gmail.com>
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 On Apr 10, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Matthew D Stock <stock at csgeeks.org> wrote:

  Folks,

 Beware of this guy - he scammed me out of some money recently when I offered to buy some
stuff from him and he didn't ship.  His ex-girlfriend (it's her paypal account, it
wasn't hacked) ended up refunding me the money out of her pocket.

 But don't believe me, just do a web search and you'll see has has quite a history
on the Apple mailing lists going back years.  If you still choose to buy from him, do it
in person and know what you're buying.  
 How recently was that?  List members have reported recent transactions
 with him that went just fine, and he's offering local, in-person
 pickup (preferred, even).  As always, caveat emptor, but people can
 change.

 - Dave

 ------------------------------

 Message: 12
 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:35:44 +0000
 From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>, "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only"
 	<cctech at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
 Message-ID:
 	<2F25BE3D5F64F342B56139F31854C9B998D8E71B at 505MBX2.corp.vnw.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

 On 4/9/13 6:33 PM, "Andrew Hoerter" <amh at POBOX.COM> wrote:

  On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Zane H. Healy
<healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:

  Honestly, I'm really surprised by the list. 
I was surprised first by
 the
 C-128, and even more surprised by the time I got to #10.  I didn't take
 time
 to see if they listed criteria for the choices, but I find the machines
 selected to be odd.  I for one would have put a BeBox in the list (and
 I've
 never even seen one).  I'd have likely also included the G5 PowerMac
 (and
 current Mac Pro's) for their case.  
 Surely the Connection Machine warrants a spot on that list, as well.

 -Andy

 Yes, the Connection Machine just stirs the primal geek instincts - which
 journalists do not have.  I really see no rationale to their choices.  

 ------------------------------

 Message: 13
 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:37:06 +0000
 From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
 Message-ID:
 	<2F25BE3D5F64F342B56139F31854C9B998D8E737 at 505MBX2.corp.vnw.com>
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 On 4/9/13 8:14 PM, "mc68010" <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 4/9/2013 6:04 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
>> On 10 April 2013 01:33, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
>>> Other than the obvious triteness of the the question---
>>> 
> > What kind of warped pervert wants to have
sex with a computer? >> Joke, N entirely SFW:
>> http://www.welookdoyou.com/fufme/
>> 
>> Real:
>> http://www.gizmag.com/lovepalz-iphone-teledildonics-app/24254/
>> 
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/12/sxsw_teledildonics/
>> 
>> 
>  

> There is of course always this too http://public.enemy.org/zt_pdp11.jpg

 A photo too far.... 

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 Message: 14
 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:40:27 +0000
 From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
 Message-ID:
 	<2F25BE3D5F64F342B56139F31854C9B998D8E767 at 505MBX2.corp.vnw.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

 On 4/10/13 4:35 PM, "ben" <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:

> On 4/10/2013 4:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
>> > What kind of warped pervert wants to
have sex with a computer? >> 
>> Tasha Yar and Data?
>> 
>> -ethan
>> 
>  
  > Give Data a break, Tasha Yar was the most computer like one.
  Ben.

 You're being unkind to every computer that was ever built. Every one.  No
 insult to the actress, she was just following the thread of execution.  

 ------------------------------

 Message: 15
 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:44:25 +0000
 From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
 Message-ID:
 	<2F25BE3D5F64F342B56139F31854C9B998D8E78C at 505MBX2.corp.vnw.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

 On 4/10/13 4:37 PM, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:

> On 04/10/2013 06:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>> > What kind of warped pervert wants to
have sex with a computer? >> 
>> Tasha Yar and Data?
> 
> [cue 1970s porn music]
> 
> "...programmed in multiple techniques..."
> 
> -- 
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA

 I always wondered: who would create a *synthetic* life form and programs
 it to engage in what is arguably the most fundamentally biological of
 interactions?  What could be the motivation... eww, I wish I hadn't gone
 there.  

 ------------------------------

 Message: 16
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:00:05 -0400
 From: Matthew D Stock <stock at csgeeks.org>
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: Huge Lot of Vintage Computers- Local Pick up preferred in
 	Flushing Michigan
 Message-ID: <51660B15.1070009 at csgeeks.org>
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 On 4/10/2013 8:21 PM, David Riley wrote:
  How recently was that? List members have reported
recent transactions 
 with him that went just fine, and he's offering local, in-person 
 pickup (preferred, even). As always, caveat emptor, but people can 
 change. - Dave   
 As of last month.  Fast correspondence arranging the payment, and USPS 
 ship code almost immediately.  Said he'd drop off the package the next 
 day.  Follow up the following week, said that he missed the shipping 
 window, and he'd be sending something in a couple of days. Another week 
 and a half and another followup, and he says he can't ship the 
 equipment, and then I'll get a refund in the next day or so.  Another 
 few days and another followup, and he says he doesn't have the money in 
 paypal and will pay me as soon as he sells some other stuff.

 I give the guy up until the limit of the paypal dispute window to 
 resolve the issue, repeated contacts, and nothing.   If others want to 
 roll the dice with him that's their business, but it looks like he's got 
 a history of being hit and miss.
   -Matt

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 Message: 17
 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 01:02:07 -0000
 From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net>
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
 Message-ID: <51660B8F.9060603 at gewt.net>
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 On 04/10/2013 08:44 PM, Ian King wrote:
> 
> On 4/10/13 4:37 PM, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 04/10/2013 06:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>>> > What kind of warped pervert wants
to have sex with a computer? >>> 
>>> Tasha Yar and Data?
>> 
>>  [cue 1970s porn music]
>> 
>>  "...programmed in multiple techniques..."
>> 
>> --
>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>> New Kensington, PA
>> 
>  
  > I always wondered: who would create a *synthetic* life form and programs
> it to engage in what is arguably the most fundamentally biological of
> interactions?  What could be the motivation... eww, I wish I hadn't gone
> there.

 Either to make things...easier, or to prove a point. ;)

 -- 
 Cory Smelosky
 http://gewt.net Personal stuff
 http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

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 Message: 18
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:27:20 -0400
 From: David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: H780 power supply
 Message-ID: <C69A01F3-C67A-4854-8E32-DD288CE6A246 at gmail.com>
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 On Apr 10, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Mouse <mouse at rodents-montreal.org> wrote:

   Probably
not that particualr PSU, but I know that some of the smaller
 DEC pSUs used on Qbus systems do not work correctly unloaded.  
 It wasn't a DEC PSU, but I once fried a PSU by running it with too
 little load.  (It was a Sun SPARCstation SLC or ELC, I forget which,
 and I was using the PSU without the monitor load it was designed to
 always drive - http://www.sunhelp.org/~mouse is a page I wrote up for
 sunhelp.org which, among other things, mentions the experience.)  
 Yeah, if you run some of the less intelligent ones with two low a
 load, the duty cycle on the switcher shrinks to near zero, which
 means lots of sharp pulses up/down next to each other on an
 inductor.  The end result is not nice.  The smarter systems will
 just hold off for a period if they detect an insufficient load;
 the even smarter ones will switch in a dummy load automatically.

 - Dave

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 Message: 19
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:34:58 -0400
 From: Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au>
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: Huge Lot of Vintage Computers- Local Pick up preferred in
 	Flushing Michigan
 Message-ID: <51662152.7040304 at telegraphics.com.au>
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 On 10/04/13 8:21 PM, David Riley wrote:
  On Apr 10, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Matthew D
Stock<stock at csgeeks.org>  wrote:

  Folks,

 Beware of this guy - he scammed me out of some money recently when I offered to buy some
stuff from him and he didn't ship.  His ex-girlfriend (it's her paypal account, it
wasn't hacked) ended up refunding me the money out of her pocket.

 But don't believe me, just do a web search and you'll see has has quite a history
on the Apple mailing lists going back years.  If you still choose to buy from him, do it
in person and know what you're buying.  
 How recently was that?  List members have reported recent transactions  
 I've bought from Steve before with no issues and I would buy from him again.

  with him that went just fine, and he's
offering local, in-person
 pickup (preferred, even).  
 Exactly. About as straight a deal as it gets.

 --Toby

> As always, caveat emptor, but people can
> change.

  > - Dave
> 

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 Message: 20
 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:15:02 +0100
 From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
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 On 10 April 2013 23:26, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
 > What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex
with a computer? > 
> Barbarella and the Excessive machine?

 Barbarella and Diktor:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jCh6DqlHTB4/Rkk4QFPvwXI/AAAAAAAAALA/eF7psh7vO14/s…

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 Message: 21
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:03:39 -0700 (PDT)
 From: David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
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 On Tue, 9 Apr 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:

  Other than the obvious triteness of the the
question---

 What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?  
 This guy:

 http://www.schlabonski.de/zwiebeltuete.html
 ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp

 -- 
 David Griffith
 dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu

 A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
 Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
 A: Top-posting.
 Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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 Message: 22
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:04:43 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Tom Sparks <tom_a_sparks at yahoo.com.au>
 To: "cctalk at classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: looking for Daisy Wheel Printer
 Message-ID:
 	<1365656683.98307.YahooMailNeo at web142503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

    ? I am looking for a daisy wheel printer to buy

 An odd thing to desire.... 
 not really,  
 Wel, OK, I regater old computer periphearls as being interesting, but far 
 too many people think that the CPU is the only bit worth colelcting.

  I already have two pen plotters (Desktop and
cutter)
 I've ordered a dot-matrix printer  
 s an? aside, I regard injet and laser printers as being dot-matrix...
   yea, but they are not impact based

 One of those 4-colour pritner/ploters using the Alps mechanism. Everybody 
  and his dog sold them at some poitn -- Tandy
CGP115, Commodore 1520, 
 there was an Atari oen, a Sharp one, theOric printer, etc.
   my Roland plotter has 8 pens slots (DXY-1300)
 the other plotter is a papercraft cutter

 -tony
  tom  PS:? I am using them for art projects

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 Message: 23
 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:10:18 -0000
 From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
 Message-ID: <B4DC6C45-CD43-4FA5-BE39-2E9B7A59FFC4 at gewt.net>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

 On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:03, "David Griffith" <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu>
wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> 
>> Other than the obvious triteness of the the question---
>> 
 > What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex
with a computer? > 
> This guy:
> 
> http://www.schlabonski.de/zwiebeltuete.html
> ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp

 ?Do I WANT to click any of those?  I highly doubt I do.

 -- 
 David Griffith
 dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu

 A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
 Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
 A: Top-posting.
 Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?  

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 Message: 24
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:43:54 -0700 (PDT)
 From: David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
 Message-ID:
 	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1304102243180.21085 at sleipnir.cs.csubak.edu>
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 On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:

> On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:03, "David Griffith" <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu>
wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>> 
>>> Other than the obvious triteness of the the question---
> > What kind of warped pervert wants to have
sex with a computer? >> 
>> This guy:
>> 
>> http://www.schlabonski.de/zwiebeltuete.html
>> ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp
> 
> ?Do I WANT to click any of those?  I highly doubt I do.

 That depends... Are you a heterosexual female or a homosexual male?

 -- 
 David Griffith
 dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu

 A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
 Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
 A: Top-posting.
 Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

 ------------------------------

 Message: 25
 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:50:56 -0000
 From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
 Message-ID: <471357C8-8BF8-4F71-AE4D-9982EA63F352 at gewt.net>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:43, "David Griffith" <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu>
wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
> 
>> On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:03, "David Griffith" <dgriffi at
cs.csubak.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Other than the obvious triteness of the the question---
>> > What kind of warped pervert wants to
have sex with a computer? >>> 
>>> This guy:
>>> 
>>> http://www.schlabonski.de/zwiebeltuete.html
>>> ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp
>> 
>> ?Do I WANT to click any of those?  I highly doubt I do.
> 
> That depends... Are you a heterosexual female or a homosexual male?

 Neither.  So i'll take that as a no.

 -- 
 David Griffith
 dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu

 A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
 Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
 A: Top-posting.
 Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?  

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 Message: 26
 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:04:19 -0500
 From: John Foust <jfoust at threedee.com>
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: Re: Tech is the biggest problem facing archiving
 Message-ID: <201304111311.r3BDBlCO048989 at mx1.ezwind.net>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

 At 07:58 PM 4/7/2013, Mouse wrote:
  > By
providing virtualisation, VMware is doing for Intel platforms
> what VM/370 did onmainframes in the 1970?s.  
 Is it?  How easy is it to run VM-in-VM with VMware?  (That's a serious
 question; I have never even looked at it myself.  Work has never
 required it, and, like all closed-source software, it's simply not
 under consideration for my home use.  Someday I want to learn enough of
 the x86 hypervisor hardware facilities to build a hypervisor of my own,
 but so far opportunity and inclination have not coincided for that.)  

 Yes, you can run VMware within VMware within VMware.  People do it
 for lab testing to see how a network of VMware hosts will interact 
 with each other.  There's a performance hit, of course, but it works.

 Don't forget to add the complication (a.k.a. feature) that each of 
 those VMware can have their own virtual networks and virtual switches 
 within.  And what you do within the virtual machines within each layer 
 is your own business; run whatever emulators within emulators that
 you like.

 Also keep in mind that Windows 7 Pro gives you a free downloadable
 Virtual PC and a license to a Windows XP Mode, and Windows 8 Pro gives 
 you Hyper-V.  Virtualization is at the fingertips of desktop users. 
 Functionality that once required a complicated install on its own
 PC is now distributed as a several-gig virtual machine that includes 
 its own operating system.

 To me, this is the way that emulators should be distributed for 
 learning purposes.  I've seen so many emulators that need all sorts 
 of hand-tweaking of the emulator's configuration that requires 
 foreknowledge of the typical configurations of the emulated system 
 in question.  The newbie doesn't know two layers of that.  Give 'em
 a ready-to-go typical experience in an easy download that drops into
 VMware Player or Hyper-V.

 ... Now back to your regularly scheduled programming of the latest episode
 of "Those Who Do Not Wish To Learn Because They Know It All, Not Being
 Taught By Those Who Do Not Wish To Learn How to Teach The Unteachable."

 - John

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 Message: 27
 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:32:10 -0500
 From: Geoffrey Oltmans <oltmansg at gmail.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
 	<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: What is the correct material to use..
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 On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> wrote:

 Interesting. I wonder if they've changed the formula over the years? I was
 taught that it was vegetable based, however the high percentage of Heavy
 Naphthenic Oil /does/ help explain why it tends to gum up, since the
 lighter hydrocarbons are going to evaporate, leaving the heavier stuff
 (paraffin) behind.

 I think I'll stick with something like Boeshield T-9 if I need something
 with a high paraffin content though.

 I guess we should bear in mind that the lithium grease that they used on
 the drives originally dries out and/or gets contaminated with dust, etc.
 and gets gummy over time anyway. :)

 Just so people don't have the wrong impression: I was NOT advocating the
 use of WD-40 as a replacement lubricant, but rather an aid in cleaning the
 drive. Also as Tony just said, the drives eject mechs will work fine
 without it since they will see little wear and most of the greased parts
 are just guides rather than bearing surfaces (although they serve that
 purpose to a minor degree).

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 Message: 28
 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:52:02 -0500
 From: John Foust <jfoust at threedee.com>
 To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Computer ASCII Text Art from the 1970's
 Message-ID: <201304111355.r3BDt1lF053674 at mx1.ezwind.net>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

 At 01:24 PM 4/7/2013, craig at solomonson.net wrote:
  I ran across some old computer art from the
1970's while sorting through
 some old boxes in storage. It seems like nearly every computer lab and room
 had a few posters hanging on the wall.  

 I'd love to find the original data behind the Mona Lisa that
 was produced by CDC that was exhibited at VCF 2.0.  

<http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/images/monaCHC.jpg>http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/images/monaCHC.jpg

 - John

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