1 Jun
2012
1 Jun
'12
4:12 p.m.
Is there a reference somewhere that tells me exactly the spec of various DEC
cables?
For example I think I need a BC13B (connects VCB02 to monitor, keyboard and
mouse), but I have a BC19S which *seems* identical. All I can find are
resellers that list part numbers, one or two name the cables, but don't give
the technical information that gives me any idea if these two are
interchangeable or not.
Thanks
Rob
3 Jun
3 Jun
11:05 a.m.
On Jun 3, 2012 8:01 AM, "RobJ" <rob_j37 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Is there a reference somewhere that tells me exactly the spec of various
DEC
cables?
For example I think I need a BC13B (connects VCB02 to monitor, keyboard
and
mouse), but I have a BC19S which *seems* identical.
I thought it was a BC18Z cable for the VCB02. I think that's the cable I
use with mine.
11:10 a.m.
On 01/06/12 4:12 PM, RobJ wrote:
Is there a reference somewhere that tells me exactly
the spec of various DEC
cables?
For example I think I need a BC13B (connects VCB02 to monitor, keyboard and
mouse), but I have a BC19S which *seems* identical. All I can find are
resellers that list part numbers, one or two name the cables, but don't give
the technical information that gives me any idea if these two are
interchangeable or not.
Some info:
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/467
--Toby
Thanks
Rob
11:15 a.m.
Please ignore the duplicate posting. I mistakenly sent the first version of
this from my Hotmail account and sometimes these pop up on the list after
several days.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of RobJ
Sent: 01 June 2012 21:12
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
Is there a reference somewhere that tells me exactly the spec of various
DEC
cables?
For example I think I need a BC13B (connects VCB02 to monitor, keyboard
and mouse), but I have a BC19S which *seems* identical. All I can find are
resellers that list part numbers, one or two name the cables, but don't
give
the technical information that gives me any idea if
these two are
interchangeable or not.
Thanks
Rob
12:11 p.m.
This manual lists the VCB02 color cable as the BC18Z and the mono cable as
the BC18P.
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/qbus/vcb02/AZ-GLGAB-MN_VCB02_Technical_Man…
1:40 p.m.
One last reply on this topic, this is a good reference page:
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/cable-guide.html
You might have to refer to any pinout information available in the
VCB02 and VS3100 manuals to determine if there are any functional
differences in the BC18Z and BC19S cables.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/cable-guide.html#bc19s
BC19S Cable for Color Monitor
BC19S
Description:
VAXstation 3100 Color monitor cable, 10 feet long.
Specification:
15-way D-type, female connector with fixing screws at the system end,
and connector block with screw fixing at the monitor end. The
connector block has the following connectors:
* three BNC male connectors, on short leads, for the monitor.
* 4-way keyboard socket.
* 7-way socket for the mouse.
The 3 BNC connectors are embossed with the legend 'R', 'G', or
'B',
and the short leads to which they are attached are Color coded red,
green, or blue.
Typical Usage:
Used with VAXstation 3100 models 30, 38, 48 (Color - not SPX). Also
used with the VAXstation 2000 (Color).
Ordering Information:
BC19S-10 p/n 17-01480-01
1:58 p.m.
Thanks Glen, that looks like a really useful reference.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Glen Slick
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:40
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
One last reply on this topic, this is a good reference page:
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/cable-guide.html
You might have to refer to any pinout information available in the
VCB02 and VS3100 manuals to determine if there are any functional
differences in the BC18Z and BC19S cables.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/cable-guide.html#bc19s
BC19S Cable for Color Monitor
BC19S
Description:
VAXstation 3100 Color monitor cable, 10 feet long.
Specification:
15-way D-type, female connector with fixing screws at the system end, and
connector block with screw fixing at the monitor end. The connector block
has the following connectors:
* three BNC male connectors, on short leads, for the monitor.
* 4-way keyboard socket.
* 7-way socket for the mouse.
The 3 BNC connectors are embossed with the legend 'R', 'G', or
'B', and
the
short leads to which they are attached are Color coded
red, green, or
blue.
Typical Usage:
Used with VAXstation 3100 models 30, 38, 48 (Color - not SPX). Also used
with
the VAXstation 2000 (Color).
Ordering Information:
BC19S-10 p/n 17-01480-01
4 Jun
4 Jun
4:38 a.m.
For the record, it turns out that the BC19S cable also works on a VCB02.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Jarratt [mailto:robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com]
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:59
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
Thanks Glen, that looks like a really useful reference.
Regards
Rob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
> bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Glen Slick
> Sent: 03 June 2012 18:40
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
>
> One last reply on this topic, this is a good reference page:
>
> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/cable-guide.html
>
> You might have to refer to any pinout information available in the
> VCB02 and VS3100 manuals to determine if there are any functional
> differences in the BC18Z and BC19S cables.
>
> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/cable-guide.html#bc19s
>
> BC19S Cable for Color Monitor
>
> BC19S
>
> Description:
>
> VAXstation 3100 Color monitor cable, 10 feet long.
>
> Specification:
>
> 15-way D-type, female connector with fixing screws at the system end,
> and connector block with screw fixing at the monitor end. The
> connector block has the following connectors:
>
> * three BNC male connectors, on short leads, for the monitor.
> * 4-way keyboard socket.
> * 7-way socket for the mouse.
>
> The 3 BNC connectors are embossed with the legend 'R', 'G', or
'B',
> and the short leads to which they are attached are Color coded red,
green,
or blue.
>
> Typical Usage:
>
> Used with VAXstation 3100 models 30, 38, 48 (Color - not SPX). Also
> used with the VAXstation 2000 (Color).
>
> Ordering Information:
>
> BC19S-10 p/n 17-01480-01
5 Jun
5 Jun
11:30 a.m.
So, what's the difference between a BC19s and a BC18z?
My suspicion is that it's either mechanical, or cosmetic
if they're electrically equivalent . . .
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com
Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:38:07 +0100
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
For the record, it turns out that the BC19S cable also works on a VCB02.
Regards
Rob
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Jarratt [mailto:robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com]
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:59
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
Thanks Glen, that looks like a really useful reference.
Regards
Rob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
> bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Glen Slick
> Sent: 03 June 2012 18:40
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
>
> One last reply on this topic, this is a good reference page:
>
> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/cable-guide.html
>
> You might have to refer to any pinout information available in the
> VCB02 and VS3100 manuals to determine if there are any functional
> differences in the BC18Z and BC19S cables.
>
> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/cable-guide.html#bc19s
>
> BC19S Cable for Color Monitor
>
> BC19S
>
> Description:
>
> VAXstation 3100 Color monitor cable, 10 feet long.
>
> Specification:
>
> 15-way D-type, female connector with fixing screws at the system end,
> and connector block with screw fixing at the monitor end. The
> connector block has the following connectors:
>
> * three BNC male connectors, on short leads, for the monitor.
> * 4-way keyboard socket.
> * 7-way socket for the mouse.
>
> The 3 BNC connectors are embossed with the legend 'R', 'G', or
'B',
> and the short leads to which they are attached are Color coded red,
green,
> or blue.
>>
>> Typical Usage:
>>
>> Used with VAXstation 3100 models 30, 38, 48 (Color - not SPX). Also
>> used with the VAXstation 2000 (Color).
>>
>> Ordering Information:
>>
>> BC19S-10 p/n 17-01480-01
12:27 p.m.
Not having seen a BC18Z I can't say, but I could post photos of the BC19S if that
helps. The BC19S has a block near the BNC connectors where you plug in the keyboard and
mouse, it also has a screw sticking out of the block, I think it is designed to screw into
certain CRTs to hold the block in place.
One thing I should have said, there was a bit of a blue cast. I don't think this is
the cable though, it could be the card itself, or perhaps the monitor, but I don't
have the means to verify this.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of N0body H0me
Sent: 05 June 2012 16:31
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
So, what's the difference between a BC19s and a BC18z?
My suspicion is that it's either mechanical, or cosmetic if they're electrically
equivalent . . .
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com
Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:38:07 +0100
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
For the record, it turns out that the BC19S cable also works on a VCB02.
Regards
Rob
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Jarratt [mailto:robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com]
Sent: 03 June 2012 18:59
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
Thanks Glen, that looks like a really useful reference.
Regards
Rob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
> bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Glen Slick
> Sent: 03 June 2012 18:40
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
>
> One last reply on this topic, this is a good reference page:
>
> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/cable-guide.html
>
> You might have to refer to any pinout information available in the
> VCB02 and VS3100 manuals to determine if there are any functional
> differences in the BC18Z and BC19S cables.
>
> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/cable-guide.html#bc19s
>
> BC19S Cable for Color Monitor
>
> BC19S
>
> Description:
>
> VAXstation 3100 Color monitor cable, 10 feet long.
>
> Specification:
>
> 15-way D-type, female connector with fixing screws at the system
> end, and connector block with screw fixing at the monitor end. The
> connector block has the following connectors:
>
> * three BNC male connectors, on short leads, for the monitor.
> * 4-way keyboard socket.
> * 7-way socket for the mouse.
>
> The 3 BNC connectors are embossed with the legend 'R', 'G', or
'B',
> and the short leads to which they are attached are Color coded red,
green,
> or blue.
>>
>> Typical Usage:
>>
>> Used with VAXstation 3100 models 30, 38, 48 (Color - not SPX). Also
>> used with the VAXstation 2000 (Color).
>>
>> Ordering Information:
>>
>> BC19S-10 p/n 17-01480-01
12:40 p.m.
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
Not having seen a BC18Z I can't say, but I could
post photos of the BC19S if that helps. The BC19S has a block near the BNC connectors
where you plug in the keyboard and mouse, it also has a screw sticking out of the block, I
think it is designed to screw into certain CRTs to hold the block in place.
Does it look just like this, but maybe shorter?
http://www.circuitsurgeon.com/forsale/bc18z.jpg
(not my picture, just found it on the net)
How long is your BC19S? I think the BC18Z I have is a -25 foot
version, which is a bit longer than I need.
2:57 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Glen Slick
Sent: 05 June 2012 17:40
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
wrote:
> Not having seen a BC18Z I can't say, but I could post photos of the
BC19S
if
that helps. The BC19S has a block near the BNC
connectors where you plug
in
the keyboard and mouse, it also has a screw sticking
out of the block, I
think
it is designed to screw into certain CRTs to hold the
block in place.
Does it look just like this, but maybe shorter?
http://www.circuitsurgeon.com/forsale/bc18z.jpg
(not my picture, just found it on the net)
How long is your BC19S? I think the BC18Z I have is a -25 foot version,
which
is a bit longer than I need.
The one I have is about 10 feet long, although I have not measured it.
Regards
Rob
6 Jun
6 Jun
12:02 a.m.
Now see, I used to have one almost like that; it was a different
color (off white), quite a bit shorter, and it didn't have that
mounting screw....
-----Original Message-----
From: glen.slick at gmail.com
Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:40:16 -0700
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
wrote:
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Not having seen a BC18Z I can't say, but I
could post photos of the
BC19S if that helps. The BC19S has a block near the BNC connectors where
you plug in the keyboard and mouse, it also has a screw sticking out of
the block, I think it is designed to screw into certain CRTs to hold the
block in place.
Does it look just like this, but maybe shorter?
http://www.circuitsurgeon.com/forsale/bc18z.jpg
(not my picture, just found it on the net)
How long is your BC19S? I think the BC18Z I have is a -25 foot
version, which is a bit longer than I need.
13 Jun
13 Jun
10:15 p.m.
I bought a couple of these BC19S cables to have as spares for $18 each,
including shipping. Haven't seen a cheaper price recently.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300649403425
Physically it looks pretty much the same as the BC18Z, but maybe slightly
improved. The block on the monitor end of the cable with the keyboard and
mouse jacks looks the same. But the R,G,B leads coming out of the block
look almost twice as long and thicker. In my opinion that is an improvement
since on my BC18Z the shorter and thinner leads appear to have some strain
on them when attached to my monitor and one of the leads has a frayed outer
shield where it attaches to the connector block.
I haven't actually connected the BC19S between my VCB02 and monitor yet to
verify identical electrical functionality with the BC18Z.
-Glen
On Jun 5, 2012 8:43 AM, "N0body H0me" <n0body.h0me at inbox.com> wrote:
So, what's the difference between a BC19s and a BC18z?
My suspicion is that it's either mechanical, or cosmetic
if they're electrically equivalent . . .
Jeff
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com
> Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:38:07 +0100
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: RE: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
>
> For the record, it turns out that the BC19S cable also works on a VCB02.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
14 Jun
14 Jun
5:56 p.m.
On 14/06/2012 03:15, Glen Slick wrote:
I bought a couple of these BC19S cables to have as
spares for $18 each,
including shipping. Haven't seen a cheaper price recently.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300649403425
Very nice, but $150 to ship to the UK? I could
almost fly out and pick
one up for that....
Physically it looks pretty much the same as the BC18Z,
but maybe slightly
improved. The block on the monitor end of the cable with the keyboard and
mouse jacks looks the same. But the R,G,B leads coming out of the block
look almost twice as long and thicker. In my opinion that is an improvement
since on my BC18Z the shorter and thinner leads appear to have some strain
on them when attached to my monitor and one of the leads has a frayed outer
shield where it attaches to the connector block.
I haven't actually connected the BC19S between my VCB02 and monitor yet to
verify identical electrical functionality with the BC18Z.
-Glen
On Jun 5, 2012 8:43 AM, "N0body H0me"<n0body.h0me at inbox.com> wrote:
> So, what's the difference between a BC19s and a BC18z?
> My suspicion is that it's either mechanical, or cosmetic
> if they're electrically equivalent . . .
>
> Jeff
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com
>> Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:38:07 +0100
>> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>> Subject: RE: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
>>
>> For the record, it turns out that the BC19S cable also works on a VCB02.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Rob
--
Dave Wade G4UGM
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
6:27 p.m.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
On 14/06/2012 03:15, Glen Slick wrote:
I bought a couple of these BC19S cables to have as spares for $18 each,
including shipping. Haven't seen a cheaper price recently.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300649403425
Very nice, but $150 to ship to the UK? I could almost fly out and pick one
up for that.... From the USPS website:
If it would fit into a USPS Priority Mail? International Small Flat
Rate Box, 8-5/8" x 5-3/8" x 1-5/8", Maximum weight 4 pounds the
shipping would be $16.95. I'm not sure if it would fit one of those
boxes without trying. Maybe not.
The next size up Priority Mail? International Medium Flat Rate Box,
13-5/8" x 11-7/8" x 3-3/8" or 11" x 8-1/2" x 5-1/2", Maximum
weight 20
pounds is $47.95.
No idea what the eBay shipping calculator is using to come up with the
$150 shipping.
6:49 p.m.
On 14/06/2012 23:27, Glen Slick wrote:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Dave
Wade<dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
I asked him why it was so expensive to ship to the UK, lets see if I get
an answer...
--
Dave Wade G4UGM
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
On 14/06/2012 03:15, Glen Slick wrote:
From the USPS website:
If it would fit into a USPS Priority Mail? International Small Flat
Rate Box, 8-5/8" x 5-3/8" x 1-5/8", Maximum weight 4 pounds the
shipping would be $16.95. I'm not sure if it would fit one of those
boxes without trying. Maybe not.
The next size up Priority Mail? International Medium Flat Rate Box,
13-5/8" x 11-7/8" x 3-3/8" or 11" x 8-1/2" x 5-1/2",
Maximum weight 20
pounds is $47.95.
No idea what the eBay shipping calculator is using to come up with the
$150 shipping.
I bought a couple of these BC19S cables to have
as spares for $18 each,
including shipping. Haven't seen a cheaper price recently.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300649403425
Very nice, but $150 to ship to the UK? I
could almost fly out and pick one
up for that....
15 Jun
15 Jun
1:05 p.m.
I have asked a similar question in the past and the shipping has turned out
to be much less, but not always. I am going to the USA in July, I wouldn't
mind a spare one of these cables, so if I could get him to ship me two
inside the US I could bring one back for you too.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dave Wade
Sent: 14 June 2012 23:49
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
On 14/06/2012 23:27, Glen Slick wrote:
I asked him why it was so expensive to ship to the UK, lets see if I get
an
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Dave
Wade<dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>
wrote:
On
14/06/2012 03:15, Glen Slick wrote:
From the USPS website:
If it would fit into a USPS Priority MailR International Small Flat
Rate Box, 8-5/8" x 5-3/8" x 1-5/8", Maximum weight 4 pounds the
shipping would be $16.95. I'm not sure if it would fit one of those
boxes without trying. Maybe not.
The next size up Priority MailR International Medium Flat Rate Box,
13-5/8" x 11-7/8" x 3-3/8" or 11" x 8-1/2" x 5-1/2",
Maximum weight 20
pounds is $47.95.
No idea what the eBay shipping calculator is using to come up with the
$150 shipping.
I bought a couple of these BC19S cables to have
as spares for $18
each, including shipping. Haven't seen a cheaper price recently.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300649403425
Very nice, but $150 to ship to the UK? I
could almost fly out and
pick one up for that.... answer...
--
Dave Wade G4UGM
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
4:44 p.m.
Thanks Rob,
The answer I got was do I have a DHL account so I could arrange my own
shipping!. Any way Number 1 son has now completed his DPhil (Oxford Phd) and
is hopefully off to Utah later in the year, so perhaps there will still be
some for sale and I can get them shipped to him. Lets see how we go.
Dave Wade G4UGM
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rob Jarratt
Sent: 15 June 2012 18:05
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
I have asked a similar question in the past and the shipping
has turned out to be much less, but not always. I am going to
the USA in July, I wouldn't mind a spare one of these cables,
so if I could get him to ship me two inside the US I could
bring one back for you too.
Regards
Rob
see if I
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dave Wade
Sent: 14 June 2012 23:49
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Technical Specs for DEC Cables
On 14/06/2012 23:27, Glen Slick wrote:
spares for $18
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Dave
Wade<dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> On 14/06/2012 03:15, Glen Slick wrote:
>>> I bought a couple of these BC19S cables to have as >>> each, including shipping.
Haven't seen a cheaper price recently.
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300649403425
>> Very nice, but $150 to ship to the UK? I could almost
fly out and
>> pick one up for that....
> From the USPS website:
>
> If it would fit into a USPS Priority MailR International
Small Flat
> Rate Box, 8-5/8" x 5-3/8" x
1-5/8", Maximum weight 4 pounds the
> shipping would be $16.95. I'm not sure if it would fit
one of those
> boxes without trying. Maybe not.
>
> The next size up Priority MailR International Medium Flat
Rate Box,
> 13-5/8" x 11-7/8" x 3-3/8" or
11" x 8-1/2" x 5-1/2",
Maximum weight
> 20 pounds is $47.95.
>
> No idea what the eBay shipping calculator is using to
come up with
the $150
shipping.
I asked him why it was so expensive to ship to the UK, lets get
an
answer...
--
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