Actually in 1975 or 1976 one of my fellow graduate students, moving to Beaverton Oregon to work for Tektronix, was trying to move some early disk drives and was asked by the movers what they were. Home furnishings were readily moveable but not office stuff. So he put them in washer and dryer boxes and the movers were happy to move them. They had been used as end tables in his living room up until them. He also built the first Altair I ever saw. Andy said 4M 6-bit characters (ie about 3 MB) - the >(exchangeable) disk pack was close to the size of a complete PC ... the drives were referred to as "washing machines" >because of their size and appearance. (and the controller was about the same size also). The IBM equivalent was, I had twice as many tracks as the eds4 but was >otherwise identical) Mike