ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: I believe some Cisco routers have used DA26 for sync serial (WAN) ports. Then they switched to what they call DB60. For some time I was mad at them for calling it that ("There is no such standard as DB60, what connector is it *actually*?!"), but then I realised that they are actually correct - it is a DB size shell with 60 contacts inside. But of course even with this fact "DB60" still doesn't tell you how to make your own Cisco cables - for that you need to know that the actual connector is Molex and the Molex part number. I have the latter somewhere, so if someone wants it, I can look it up. (It took a LOT of social engineering to get that number out of Cisco!) MS