20 Jul
2018
20 Jul
'18
4:30 p.m.
How feasable is it to compile and run SDL for SunOS? My main reason for
doing this is to play Z-machine games on Sparcstations using Frotz
(https://gitlab.com/DavidGriffith/frotz) using the SDL interface to play
V6 games.
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David Griffith
dave at 661.org
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21 Jul
21 Jul
12:18 a.m.
What vintage SPARCstations and what version of SunOS? Are you talking
about BSD SunOS or Solaris?
On 7/20/18 4:30 PM, David Griffith via cctalk wrote:
How feasable is it to compile and run SDL for SunOS?? My main reason
for doing this is to play Z-machine games on Sparcstations using Frotz
(https://gitlab.com/DavidGriffith/frotz) using the SDL interface to
play V6 games.
5:01 p.m.
On Sat, 21 Jul 2018, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
On 7/20/18 4:30 PM, David Griffith via cctalk wrote:
The SPARCstations in question are the IPX (with PowerUP), 5, and 20. The
version of SunOS is 4.1.4.
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David Griffith
dave at 661.org
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
How feasable is it to compile and run SDL for SunOS?? My main reason for
doing this is to play Z-machine games on Sparcstations using Frotz
(https://gitlab.com/DavidGriffith/frotz) using the SDL interface to play V6
games.
What vintage SPARCstations and what version of SunOS? Are you talking about
BSD SunOS or Solaris? 
9:29 a.m.
David Griffith via cctalk wrote:
How feasable is it to compile and run SDL for SunOS??
My main reason
for doing this is to play Z-machine games on Sparcstations using Frotz
(https://gitlab.com/DavidGriffith/frotz) using the SDL interface to
play V6 games
Under SunOS 4.1.4, the last gcc version that is supported is 3.3.6,
but
I haven't been able to build it on an IPX;? it gets to the point where
it starts running gengtype and eats all memory available (I have 64MB
RAM and have added as much as 1024 swap and it still crashes).? So, for
the time being I am still at the gcc 2.95.3 level in this particular
sun4c machine.? In order to build 2.95.3, I had to bootstrap 2.8.1 using
the cc that comes by default in the SunOS 4.1.4 install CD. Under
Solaris 2.6, the last supported? gcc version is 4.3.6, which I did
manage to build in a sun4m Sparcstation 5 machine with 144MB of RAM.
It is pretty hard to build modern software with 2.95.3.? It is mostly
C89 compliant, but not C98.? So...? I think that you stand a chance to
build SDL under Solaris, but not under SunOS 4.1.4.? And, for Solaris
2.6, there are still some mirrors of the old Sunfreeware archive with
many usable ports.? The SunOS 4.1.4 situation is rather different, as
there are hardly any pre-compiled binaries around.
Carlos.
12:37 p.m.
On Jul 21, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk <cctalk at
classiccmp.org> wrote:
David Griffith via cctalk wrote:
I was able to build gcc 2.95.3 directly under SunOS 4.1.4 on a SPARCstation 20 with 512MB,
it required one tweak to gcc/function.c in that I had to move a # to the first column.
I tried to go up to gcc 3.3. but was similarly unsuccessful. Since I cared most about
running code that I built, I considered building a cross-complier on modern Linux that
targeted sun4m and using that to build against the headers and libraries copied off the
SPARCstation.
Unfortunately I had a really rough time building the tools and could never quite get them
working. I suspect that was itself mainly due to the age of the tools I was trying to
build; using modern tool binaries to build the last GPLv2 versions of the tools didn?t
seem to work out so well. (I?m obligated not to go near the GPLv3 sources, so building
anything newer?presuming there even were newer versions that could still target sun4m.)
-- Chris
How feasable is it to compile and run SDL for
SunOS? My main reason for doing this is to play Z-machine games on Sparcstations using
Frotz (https://gitlab.com/DavidGriffith/frotz) using the SDL interface to play V6 games
Under SunOS 4.1.4, the last gcc version that is supported is 3.3.6, but I
haven't been able to build it on an IPX; it gets to the point where it starts running
gengtype and eats all memory available (I have 64MB RAM and have added as much as 1024
swap and it still crashes). So, for the time being I am still at the gcc 2.95.3 level in
this particular sun4c machine. In order to build 2.95.3, I had to bootstrap 2.8.1 using
the cc that comes by default in the SunOS 4.1.4 install CD. Under Solaris 2.6, the last
supported gcc version is 4.3.6, which I did manage to build in a sun4m Sparcstation 5
machine with 144MB of RAM. 
22 Jul
22 Jul
11:46 p.m.
On Sat, 21 Jul 2018, carlos_murillo at ieee.org wrote:
Under SunOS 4.1.4, the last gcc version that is
supported is 3.3.6, but I
haven't been able to build it on an IPX;? it gets to the point where it
Not quite true:
# uname -a
SunOS azu 4.1.1 10 sun4 unknown unknown SunOS
# gcc -v
Reading specs from /ibm/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.1/3.4.6/specs
Configured with: ../gcc-3.4.6/configure --prefix=/ibm/usr
--program-suffix=-3.4 --with-gnu-ld --with-ld=/ibm/usr/bin/ld
--with-gnu-as --with-as=/ibm/usr/bin/as --with-cpu=v7 --disable-nls
--with-libiconv-prefix=/ibm/usr --enable-obsolete
Thread model: single
gcc version 3.4.6
# ld --version
GNU ld 2.9.1
Copyright 1997 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This program is free software; you may redistribute it under the terms of
the GNU General Public License. This program has absolutely no warranty.
Supported emulations:
sun4
# as --version
GNU assembler 2.9.1
Copyright 1997 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This program is free software; you may redistribute it under the terms of
the GNU General Public License. This program has absolutely no warranty.
This assembler was configured for a target of `sparc-sun-sunos4.1.1'.
This is on a SUN 4/260 with 32MB RAM.
starts running gengtype and eats all memory available
(I have 64MB RAM and
have added as much as 1024 swap and it still crashes).? So, for the time
Yes, there are such issues. The solution is to cross compile it with
distcc.
Christian
23 Jul
23 Jul
4:02 p.m.
Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2018, carlos_murillo at ieee.org
wrote:
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Under SunOS 4.1.4, the last gcc version that is
supported is 3.3.6,
but I haven't been able to build it on an IPX;? it gets to the point
where it
Not quite true:
# uname -a
SunOS azu 4.1.1 10 sun4 unknown unknown SunOS
# gcc -v
Reading specs from /ibm/usr/lib/gcc/sparc-sun-sunos4.1.1/3.4.6/specs
Configured with: ../gcc-3.4.6/configure --prefix=/ibm/usr
--program-suffix=-3.4 --with-gnu-ld --with-ld=/ibm/usr/bin/ld
--with-gnu-as --with-as=/ibm/usr/bin/as --with-cpu=v7 --disable-nls
--with-libiconv-prefix=/ibm/usr --enable-obsolete
Thread model: single
gcc version 3.4.6 This is on a SUN 4/260 with 32MB RAM.
I stand corrected, 3.4.6 is indeed that last gcc to support SunOS 4.1.x
.? I was typing from memory and I tried so many gcc versions
that I lost track.? All attempts at building gcc versions > 3.2.3 <=
3.4.6 failed because of the memory issues in the gengtype execution.?
And, the last version not to use the gengtype kludge was 3.2.3; for that
version the build process advances further,? but it fails when building
libstdc++ with xgcc? (the file is bitset.cc).
Thanks for the suggestion; I'll need to learn how to build the
cross-compiler.? Do you have any quick advice on how to go about it?
carlos.
starts running gengtype and eats all memory
available (I have 64MB
RAM and have added as much as 1024 swap and it still crashes).? So,
for the time
Yes, there are such issues. The solution is to cross compile it with
distcc.
Christian
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