30 Oct
2021
30 Oct
'21
1:11 p.m.
Does anyone recognize this EPROM programmer:
https://imgur.com/a/GcmefTl
It appears to be for 1702A EPROMs. Working on cleaning it up and figuring it out!
Thanks,
Jonathan
30 Oct
30 Oct
10:01 p.m.
On 10/30/21 12:11 PM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote:
Does anyone recognize this EPROM programmer:
https://imgur.com/a/GcmefTl
It appears to be for 1702A EPROMs. Working on cleaning it up and figuring it out!
It reminds me of Intel MCS-80 boards, from the 8008 days.
Jon
10:35 p.m.
It's definitely not Intel, but I pulled the control board and traced it a bit this
afternoon. It seems to be very similar to the circuit used on the Intel MP7-03 1702A
programming module for the MCS-4/MCS-8 development systems.
Thanks,
Jonathan
??????? Original Message ???????
On Saturday, October 30th, 2021 at 22:01, Jon Elson via cctalk <cctalk at
classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 10/30/21 12:11 PM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
wrote:
Does anyone recognize this EPROM programmer:
https://imgur.com/a/GcmefTl
It appears to be for 1702A EPROMs. Working on cleaning it up and figuring it out!
It reminds me of Intel MCS-80 boards, from the 8008 days.
Jon 
10:52 p.m.
On 10/30/21 7:35 PM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote:
It's definitely not Intel, but I pulled the
control board and traced it a bit this afternoon. It seems to be very similar to the
circuit used on the Intel MP7-03 1702A programming module for the MCS-4/MCS-8 development
systems.
The colors aren't right for Intel, either. The scheme looks closer to
that of the Zilog MCZ.
--CHuck
11:03 p.m.
I assume the box is just a somewhat generic project enclosure, similar to standard
offerings from Bud, Hammond, etc.
I'll go through the power supply tomorrow or Monday and see where I can get with read
mode. It looks like writes should be hardware timed, so that's good news!
Thanks,
Jonathan
??????? Original Message ???????
On Saturday, October 30th, 2021 at 22:52, Chuck Guzis via cctalk <cctalk at
classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 10/30/21 7:35 PM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
wrote:
It's definitely not Intel, but I pulled the
control board and traced it a bit this afternoon. It seems to be very similar to the
circuit used on the Intel MP7-03 1702A programming module for the MCS-4/MCS-8 development
systems.
The colors aren't right for Intel, either. The scheme looks closer to
that of the Zilog MCZ.
--CHuck 
31 Oct
31 Oct
9:53 a.m.
I also agree, it looks like the MP7-03 with some I/O buffering. My guess is that the
connector on the back is similar to the interface to the SIM4-01. There would be address,
data and a strobe to do the programming.
The way it works on the SIN4 setup is that the programmer supplies the timing for the
pulses but the 4004 supplies the duration of the programming pulses. So the programming
sequence would be to hold the programming active for about 79 milliseconds then delay long
enough for pulses to stop before changing the address and data.
This would be a simple Arduino program.
Hopefully the programming signal is a low so that it would be in the read mode with
nothing driving it. Do remember, the 1702A is a PMOS part and is a hard pull up and a
weaker pull down, unlike TTL.
Dwight
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Subject: Re: Mystery 1702A(?) EPROM Programmer
I assume the box is just a somewhat generic project enclosure, similar to standard
offerings from Bud, Hammond, etc.
I'll go through the power supply tomorrow or Monday and see where I can get with read
mode. It looks like writes should be hardware timed, so that's good news!
Thanks,
Jonathan
??????? Original Message ???????
On Saturday, October 30th, 2021 at 22:52, Chuck Guzis via cctalk <cctalk at
classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 10/30/21 7:35 PM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
wrote:
It's definitely not Intel, but I pulled the
control board and traced it a bit this afternoon. It seems to be very similar to the
circuit used on the Intel MP7-03 1702A programming module for the MCS-4/MCS-8 development
systems.
The colors aren't right for Intel, either. The scheme looks closer to
that of the Zilog MCZ.
--CHuck
10:09 a.m.
It is possible that it is run from a switch box as I see 3 ea 9602 timer chips. That would
be 1 for pulse on, one for pulse off and one for duration of pulses.
My timing was wrong. The duration of pulses should be 120/256 = 0.47 seconds. This is
based on the timing of programming in 2 minutes as specified.
Dwight
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<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 6:53 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Mystery 1702A(?) EPROM Programmer
I also agree, it looks like the MP7-03 with some I/O buffering. My guess is that the
connector on the back is similar to the interface to the SIM4-01. There would be address,
data and a strobe to do the programming.
The way it works on the SIN4 setup is that the programmer supplies the timing for the
pulses but the 4004 supplies the duration of the programming pulses. So the programming
sequence would be to hold the programming active for about 79 milliseconds then delay long
enough for pulses to stop before changing the address and data.
This would be a simple Arduino program.
Hopefully the programming signal is a low so that it would be in the read mode with
nothing driving it. Do remember, the 1702A is a PMOS part and is a hard pull up and a
weaker pull down, unlike TTL.
Dwight
________________________________
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Jonathan Chapman via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 8:03 PM
To: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Mystery 1702A(?) EPROM Programmer
I assume the box is just a somewhat generic project enclosure, similar to standard
offerings from Bud, Hammond, etc.
I'll go through the power supply tomorrow or Monday and see where I can get with read
mode. It looks like writes should be hardware timed, so that's good news!
Thanks,
Jonathan
??????? Original Message ???????
On Saturday, October 30th, 2021 at 22:52, Chuck Guzis via cctalk <cctalk at
classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 10/30/21 7:35 PM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
wrote:
It's definitely not Intel, but I pulled the
control board and traced it a bit this afternoon. It seems to be very similar to the
circuit used on the Intel MP7-03 1702A programming module for the MCS-4/MCS-8 development
systems.
The colors aren't right for Intel, either. The scheme looks closer to
that of the Zilog MCZ.
--CHuck
10:50 a.m.
Dwight,
I'm thinking the same thing -- that it's a pretty smart system where you just have
to poke a RD/*WR line like on the MP7-03.
Mike Douglas (deramp.com) has suggested it may be a Mikra-D MD-2040. He has the MD-2044,
which is serial interfaced. From the schematics the data/address drivers do look very
similar. There's also a note in the corner of the MD-2044 schematic that it's
similar to the Intellec-8 programmer!
Thanks,
Jonathan
??????? Original Message ???????
On Sunday, October 31st, 2021 at 10:09, dwight via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
It is possible that it is run from a switch box as I
see 3 ea 9602 timer chips. That would be 1 for pulse on, one for pulse off and one for
duration of pulses.
My timing was wrong. The duration of pulses should be 120/256 = 0.47 seconds. This is
based on the timing of programming in 2 minutes as specified.
Dwight
From: cctalk cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org on behalf of dwight via cctalk cctalk at
classiccmp.org
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 6:53 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Mystery 1702A(?) EPROM Programmer
I also agree, it looks like the MP7-03 with some I/O buffering. My guess is that the
connector on the back is similar to the interface to the SIM4-01. There would be address,
data and a strobe to do the programming.
The way it works on the SIN4 setup is that the programmer supplies the timing for the
pulses but the 4004 supplies the duration of the programming pulses. So the programming
sequence would be to hold the programming active for about 79 milliseconds then delay long
enough for pulses to stop before changing the address and data.
This would be a simple Arduino program.
Hopefully the programming signal is a low so that it would be in the read mode with
nothing driving it. Do remember, the 1702A is a PMOS part and is a hard pull up and a
weaker pull down, unlike TTL.
Dwight
From: cctalk cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org on behalf of Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
cctalk at classiccmp.org
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 8:03 PM
To: Chuck Guzis cclist at sydex.com; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Mystery 1702A(?) EPROM Programmer
I assume the box is just a somewhat generic project enclosure, similar to standard
offerings from Bud, Hammond, etc.
I'll go through the power supply tomorrow or Monday and see where I can get with read
mode. It looks like writes should be hardware timed, so that's good news!
Thanks,
Jonathan
??????? Original Message ???????
On Saturday, October 30th, 2021 at 22:52, Chuck Guzis via cctalk cctalk at classiccmp.org
wrote:
> On 10/30/21 7:35 PM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote:
>
> > It's definitely not Intel, but I pulled the control board and traced it a
bit this afternoon. It seems to be very similar to the circuit used on the Intel MP7-03
1702A programming module for the MCS-4/MCS-8 development systems.
>
> The colors aren't right for Intel, either. The scheme looks closer to
>
> that of the Zilog MCZ.
>
> --CHuck
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