16 Jan
2002
16 Jan
'02
2:11 a.m.
I forward them all...
- John
From: "jkd1932"
<jkd1932(a)starpower.net>
To: <jfoust(a)foust.org>
Subject: IBM PC'S
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:12:20 -0500
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400
Mr. Foust, the organization I work with has two IBM PS/2, 286, PC's to give to anyone
who wants them. I am in the Washington,DC/Baltimore,MD area. I have tried re-cycling
groups, but they don't want them. Then I thought there would be a collector who would
interested. Both systems are in excellent condition. I would appreciate your advice. I
have looked at the "Classic Computer Rescue List", but did not find anyone who
would be interested.
Ken Diggs, Damascus,MD
16 Jan
16 Jan
2:34 a.m.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, John Foust wrote:
>From: "jkd1932"
<jkd1932(a)starpower.net>
>Subject: IBM PC'S
>
> Mr. Foust, the organization I work with has two IBM PS/2, 286, PC's to
> give to anyone who wants them. I am in the Washington,DC/Baltimore,MD
> area. I have tried re-cycling groups, but they don't want them. Then I
> thought there would be a collector who would interested. Both systems
> are in excellent condition. I would appreciate your advice. I have
> looked at the "Classic Computer Rescue List", but did not find anyone
> who would be interested.
Sounds like IBM PS/2 model 50 or model 60 machines. I already own several
of each model, but someone here on the list must be looking for some of
these.
-Toth
4:24 a.m.
There was a model 25 (all-in-one) that was a 286 as well as the model 30-286
too, so it could be a number of things. The 50 and 60 are microchannel, 25
and 30-286 are ISA.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Tothwolf
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:34 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, John Foust wrote:
>From: "jkd1932"
<jkd1932(a)starpower.net>
>Subject: IBM PC'S
>
> Mr. Foust, the organization I work with has two IBM PS/2, 286, PC's to
> give to anyone who wants them. I am in the Washington,DC/Baltimore,MD
> area. I have tried re-cycling groups, but they don't want them. Then I
> thought there would be a collector who would interested. Both systems
> are in excellent condition. I would appreciate your advice. I have
> looked at the "Classic Computer Rescue List", but did not find anyone
> who would be interested.
Sounds like IBM PS/2 model 50 or model 60 machines. I already own several
of each model, but someone here on the list must be looking for some of
these.
-Toth
2:33 p.m.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
Right, I didn't even think about the ISA machines. I've seen so many of
the microchannel systems that I often forget about the others. As I think
about it, I might actually have several model 25s instead of 50s. Guess
I'll find out once I uncover them.
-Toth
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, John Foust wrote:
There was a model 25 (all-in-one) that was a 286 as well as the model
30-286 too, so it could be a number of things. The 50 and 60 are
microchannel, 25 and 30-286 are ISA. From: "jkd1932"
<jkd1932(a)starpower.net>
Subject: IBM PC'S
Mr. Foust, the organization I work with has two IBM PS/2, 286, PC's to
give to anyone who wants them. I am in the Washington,DC/Baltimore,MD
area. I have tried re-cycling groups, but they don't want them. Then I
thought there would be a collector who would interested. Both systems
are in excellent condition. I would appreciate your advice. I have
looked at the "Classic Computer Rescue List", but did not find anyone
who would be interested.
Sounds like IBM PS/2 model 50 or model 60 machines. I already own
several of each model, but someone here on the list must be looking
for some of these. 
2:54 p.m.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
Right, I didn't even think about the ISA machines.
I've seen so many of
the microchannel systems that I often forget about the others. As I think
about it, I might actually have several model 25s instead of 50s. Guess
I'll find out once I uncover them.
It's hard to confuse them. The 25 is an all-in-one. The easier ones to
confuse are the 30 and the 55SX, as they came in the same case.
Peace... Sridhar
3:52 p.m.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
Ok, then I think I remember what I have now. I don't have a 25, but I have
worked on a number of them. I'm fairly sure that I have 4 machines that
are a mix of 30 and 55SX. All of them were considered "junk" and left by a
dealer after an auction, so I was able to adopt them.
-Toth
Right, I didn't even think about the ISA
machines. I've seen so many of
the microchannel systems that I often forget about the others. As I think
about it, I might actually have several model 25s instead of 50s. Guess
I'll find out once I uncover them.
It's hard to confuse them. The 25 is an all-in-one. The easier ones to
confuse are the 30 and the 55SX, as they came in the same case.
4:27 p.m.
The mix is probably from 30-286 and 55SX, regular 30 parts usually don't mix
with 55SX stuff. (I have probablt 50 55SX's to get rid of and maybe 5
30-286's so I have pulled certain parts on occasion for the other, lids and
bezels mostly)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Tothwolf
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:53 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Fwd: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote:
Ok, then I think I remember what I have now. I don't have a 25, but I have
worked on a number of them. I'm fairly sure that I have 4 machines that
are a mix of 30 and 55SX. All of them were considered "junk" and left by a
dealer after an auction, so I was able to adopt them.
-Toth
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
> Right, I didn't even think about the ISA machines. I've seen so many of
> the microchannel systems that I often forget about the others. As I
think
about it, I
might actually have several model 25s instead of 50s. Guess
I'll find out once I uncover them.
It's hard to confuse them. The 25 is an all-in-one. The easier ones to
confuse are the 30 and the 55SX, as they came in the same case.
4:07 p.m.
Model 40 and below are ISA, 50 series and above are microchannel. The 30-286
and 55SX used the same case but the 30 (8086) had a similar but plastic
beige/brown (as opposed to all beige steel) case.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Julius Sridhar
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:54 PM
To: Tothwolf
Cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Fwd: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
Right, I didn't even think about the ISA machines.
I've seen so many of
the microchannel systems that I often forget about the others. As I think
about it, I might actually have several model 25s instead of 50s. Guess
I'll find out once I uncover them.
It's hard to confuse them. The 25 is an all-in-one. The easier ones to
confuse are the 30 and the 55SX, as they came in the same case.
Peace... Sridhar
4:20 p.m.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Model 40 and below are ISA, 50 series and above are
microchannel. The 30-286
and 55SX used the same case but the 30 (8086) had a similar but plastic
beige/brown (as opposed to all beige steel) case.
Don't forget that the L40SX is also Microchannel.
Peace... Sridhar
4:53 p.m.
New subject: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
there is also the 30 with the 80186 - also isa -- billp
On Wednesday, January 16, 2002, at 10:20 PM, Julius Sridhar wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Model 40 and below are ISA, 50 series and above
are microchannel. The
30-286
and 55SX used the same case but the 30 (8086) had a similar but plastic
beige/brown (as opposed to all beige steel) case.
Don't forget that the L40SX is also Microchannel.
Peace... Sridhar
5:06 p.m.
New subject: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, bill pointon wrote:
there is also the 30 with the 80186 - also isa --
billp
I know. He had made the observation that all Models 40 and below were
ISA, and I was pointing out the oddball exception. The PS/2 L40SX is
Microchannel.
Peace... Sridhar
1:16 p.m.
New subject: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:06:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Julius Sridhar <vance(a)ikickass.org>
To: bill pointon <wpointon(a)earthlink.net>
Cc: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, bill pointon wrote:
Sridhar scribbled:
there is also the 30 with the 80186 - also isa --
billp
I know. He had made the observation that all Models
40 and below were
ISA, and I was pointing out the oddball exception. The PS/2 L40SX is
Microchannel.
Certain!?
This L40SX is ISA, no way to have ATA notebook HD mixed in if that
thing is MCA. Resources on 'net is certain of that that I know is
reputatable.
Got L40SX? Look at HD, it is stock ATA 2.5" HD.
I was that close in summer of '93 because I didn't know if that L40SX
did have standard ATA 2.5" hd but also didn't know it does use
somewhat standard 72pin simms. Sigh... ended up w/ LTE 386s/20, it
served me ok for first 3 years then battery died, and other things
started to wear out and break up. Typical of compaq's.
Years later, on 'net I found out what L40SX's stuff were.
Cheers,
Wizard
7 p.m.
New subject: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
This L40SX is ISA, no way to have ATA notebook HD
mixed in if that
thing is MCA. Resources on 'net is certain of that that I know is
reputatable.
Sure there is. MCA -> ATA circuitry. Weird Stuff (tm).
Peace... Sridhar
5:19 p.m.
New subject: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
There aren't a lot of those around either...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of bill pointon
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:53 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
there is also the 30 with the 80186 - also isa -- billp
On Wednesday, January 16, 2002, at 10:20 PM, Julius Sridhar wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Model 40 and below are ISA, 50 series and above
are microchannel. The
30-286
and 55SX used the same case but the 30 (8086) had a similar but plastic
beige/brown (as opposed to all beige steel) case.
Don't forget that the L40SX is also Microchannel.
Peace... Sridhar
5:47 p.m.
New subject: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
There aren't a lot of those around either...
I have one. Along with an N51SX, and one of my prized possessions, a
CL57SX. I want to get the Thinkpad 700 (some models were also
Microchannel, if not all) and the Thinkpad Power Seried 830.
Peace... Sridhar
17 Jan
17 Jan
8:33 a.m.
New subject: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote:
Microchannel, if not all) and the Thinkpad Power
Seried 830.
They made an 830? I thought they had the N40 (which I don't know anything
about), the 820, 850, and 860.
I've got a "Woodfield" (type 6020, pre-GA of the 850) which is so
painfully slow under AIX 4.1.4 as to be unusable. It also suffers from a
general lack of integration testing.
I was actually so curious as to whether this was inidicative of the rest
of the ThinkPad Power Series line that I spent MORE money on an 850 (type
6042). To my delight, the 850 works much better... to the point that I
could actually use it to do real work. The left trackpoint button is worn
out though.
Before I start trying to fix it, does anybody have any experience with
repairing anything like this? Should I just be looking at replacing the
whole keyboard?
ok
r.
1:25 p.m.
New subject: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote:
There's a lot more than that. There's the L40SX, N51SX, CL57SX, P70, P75,
700, 820, 830, 850, and 860.
Microchannel,
if not all) and the Thinkpad Power Seried 830.
They made an 830? I thought they had the N40 (which I don't know anything
about), the 820, 850, and 860. I've got a "Woodfield" (type 6020,
pre-GA of the 850) which is so
painfully slow under AIX 4.1.4 as to be unusable. It also suffers from a
general lack of integration testing.
Want to get rid of it?
I was actually so curious as to whether this was
inidicative of the rest
of the ThinkPad Power Series line that I spent MORE money on an 850 (type
6042). To my delight, the 850 works much better... to the point that I
could actually use it to do real work. The left trackpoint button is worn
out though.
Before I start trying to fix it, does anybody have any experience with
repairing anything like this? Should I just be looking at replacing the
whole keyboard?
It's ridiculously easy to do. Just replace the button.
Peace... Sridhar
1:30 p.m.
New subject: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote:
No, actually, I paid a lot of money for it thinking I'd get a way cool AIX
laptop. What I got was a whole lot more (or less, depending on your point
of view), but it was my first exposure to AIX and I learned a lot trying
to make the damned thing work. Drawing an analogy to "The Velveteen
Rabbit", you might say, "it's become real." (;
There's a lot more than that. There's the
L40SX, N51SX, CL57SX, P70, P75,
700, 820, 830, 850, and 860.
I was actually speaking of the AIX ThinkPads, and not specifically of
anything MCA. I'm pretty sure the 850 isn't MCA anywhere.
I've got a
"Woodfield" (type 6020, pre-GA of the 850) which is so
painfully slow under AIX 4.1.4 as to be unusable. It also suffers from a
general lack of integration testing.
Want to get rid of it? It's ridiculously easy to do. Just replace the
button.
Really? I haven't really looked that closely at it---not even to see how
it comes apart. I guess I should try to stare at it for a few minutes
tonight.
ok
r.
10:08 a.m.
New subject: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Why not the TP 860? That's the REAL Holy Grail of RS/6000s....
Doc
There aren't a lot of those around either...
I have one. Along with an N51SX, and one of my prized possessions, a
CL57SX. I want to get the Thinkpad 700 (some models were also
Microchannel, if not all) and the Thinkpad Power Seried 830.
16 Jan
16 Jan
4:31 p.m.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote:
Well, at least I've got a general idea what I've got stored away now. I
may have to go unbury them tonight, just to satisfy my curiosity.
-Toth
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
Model 40 and below are ISA, 50 series and above are microchannel. The
30-286 and 55SX used the same case but the 30 (8086) had a similar but
plastic beige/brown (as opposed to all beige steel) case. Right, I didn't even think about the ISA
machines. I've seen so many
of the microchannel systems that I often forget about the others.
As I think about it, I might actually have several model 25s
instead of 50s. Guess I'll find out once I uncover them.
It's hard to confuse them. The 25 is an all-in-one. The easier ones
to confuse are the 30 and the 55SX, as they came in the same case.
5:03 p.m.
You'll know the 30 from the 30-286 when you see the bottom (where the 55SX
and 30-286 have their ID tags) is dark brown, the case is plastic (on the
30) and there are 4 screws on the 30 as opposed to the 30-286 and 55SX with
2 on a steel lid/case.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Tothwolf
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:31 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Fwd: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote:
Well, at least I've got a general idea what I've got stored away now. I
may have to go unbury them tonight, just to satisfy my curiosity.
-Toth
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
Model 40 and below are ISA, 50 series and above are microchannel. The
30-286 and 55SX used the same case but the 30 (8086) had a similar but
plastic beige/brown (as opposed to all beige steel) case. Right, I didn't even think about the ISA
machines. I've seen so many
of the microchannel systems that I often forget about the others.
As I think about it, I might actually have several model 25s
instead of 50s. Guess I'll find out once I uncover them.
It's hard to confuse them. The 25 is an all-in-one. The easier ones
to confuse are the 30 and the 55SX, as they came in the same case.
1:27 p.m.
From: "Russ Blakeman"
<rhblakeman(a)kih.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: RE: Fwd: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:03:32 -0600
Importance: Normal
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
You'll know the 30 from the 30-286 when you see
the bottom (where the 55SX
and 30-286 have their ID tags) is dark brown, the case is plastic (on the
30) and there are 4 screws on the 30 as opposed to the 30-286 and 55SX with
2 on a steel lid/case.
30 and 30-286 same case but made for ISA but all 25, 30 and 30-286,
rare 386 based are same planar layout and mountings. 55SX bit
different design due to MCA riser and rear plates but similar in
general.
As I write this at pcstuff where I work part-time, in fact there's a
55SX w/ reply upgrade board, I think this one is turboboard in it
(486 SLC). Stuffed between card riser and the PSU w/ reply bracket
for 400mb ATA HD along w/ MCA IDE original HD in that thing. UGH.
That bracket looks poorly made that ATA HD sat bit higher and at an
angle. That means u have to force the case on to seat right.
FYI: that 55SX owner is heavy smoker. BLEECH!
Cheers,
Wizard
17 Jan
17 Jan
11:07 a.m.
The Reply was (in most instances) a replacement. I have 4 or 5 machines with
Reply motherboards(55SX right now) in them. I'm considering gutting those
and selling the mainboards since I fell into a bunch of the empty boxes they
came in, most with docs. The nice thing about the Reply (besides being
faster w/486SLC) is the availability of both the old riser embedded ESDI
controller and a motherboard embedded IDE controller. Of course if you don't
have the original power adapter for the IDE part you eother have to add a
cable into the power supply with a molex, or find someone to do a schematic
for you and make one from scratch.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of jpero(a)sympatico.ca
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 6:28 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Fwd: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
From: "Russ Blakeman"
<rhblakeman(a)kih.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: RE: Fwd: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:03:32 -0600
Importance: Normal
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
You'll know the 30 from the 30-286 when you see
the bottom (where the 55SX
and 30-286 have their ID tags) is dark brown, the case is plastic (on the
30) and there are 4 screws on the 30 as opposed to the 30-286 and 55SX
with
2 on a steel lid/case.
30 and 30-286 same case but made for ISA but all 25, 30 and 30-286,
rare 386 based are same planar layout and mountings. 55SX bit
different design due to MCA riser and rear plates but similar in
general.
As I write this at pcstuff where I work part-time, in fact there's a
55SX w/ reply upgrade board, I think this one is turboboard in it
(486 SLC). Stuffed between card riser and the PSU w/ reply bracket
for 400mb ATA HD along w/ MCA IDE original HD in that thing. UGH.
That bracket looks poorly made that ATA HD sat bit higher and at an
angle. That means u have to force the case on to seat right.
FYI: that 55SX owner is heavy smoker. BLEECH!
Cheers,
Wizard
8:57 a.m.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
I uncovered the stack of machines. All of them are in fair to good
condition, but missing their hard drives. They seem to be intact
otherwise.
2 - Model 55SX (8555)
1 - Model 30 286 (8530)
1 - Model 30 (8530)
1 - Model 50 (8550)
Does anyone know why IBM choose to use the same part number for the Model
30 and Model 30 286?
-Toth
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote:
Well, at least I've got a general idea what I've got stored away now. I
may have to go unbury them tonight, just to satisfy my curiosity. On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
Model 40 and below are ISA, 50 series and above are microchannel. The
30-286 and 55SX used the same case but the 30 (8086) had a similar but
plastic beige/brown (as opposed to all beige steel) case. Right, I didn't even think about the ISA
machines. I've seen so many
of the microchannel systems that I often forget about the others.
As I think about it, I might actually have several model 25s
instead of 50s. Guess I'll find out once I uncover them.
It's hard to confuse them. The 25 is an all-in-one. The easier ones
to confuse are the 30 and the 55SX, as they came in the same case. 
12:31 p.m.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
Do you mean the SN # ? Don't have a 30 286 to check but most
IBMs had a model subset that better described it like the 8580-111
8580-Axx or in the PS/1s for example the 2133-011. Mueller has
most listed in his 3rd edition but not the SN #s.
Lawrence
Reply to:
lgwalker(a)mts.net
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
I uncovered the stack of machines. All of them are in fair to good
condition, but missing their hard drives. They seem to be intact
otherwise.
2 - Model 55SX (8555)
1 - Model 30 286 (8530)
1 - Model 30 (8530)
1 - Model 50 (8550)
Does anyone know why IBM choose to use the same part number for the Model
30 and Model 30 286?
-Toth
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote:
Well, at least I've got a general idea what I've got stored away now. I
may have to go unbury them tonight, just to satisfy my curiosity. On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
> Right, I didn't even think about the ISA machines. I've seen so many of
> the microchannel systems that I often forget about the others. As I
> think about it, I might actually have several model 25s instead of 50s.
> Guess I'll find out once I uncover them.
It's hard to confuse them. The 25 is an all-in-one. The easier ones to
confuse are the 30 and the 55SX, as they came in the same case.
Model 40 and below are ISA, 50 series and above are microchannel. The
30-286 and 55SX used the same case but the 30 (8086) had a similar but
plastic beige/brown (as opposed to all beige steel) case.
16 Jan
16 Jan
4:07 p.m.
The 35 and 56 also had similar cases despite one is ISA and one is
microchannel. The 60, 65 and 80 towers are very easy to mistake as the only
external difference is the logo plate.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Julius Sridhar
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:54 PM
To: Tothwolf
Cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Fwd: 2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
Right, I didn't even think about the ISA machines.
I've seen so many of
the microchannel systems that I often forget about the others. As I think
about it, I might actually have several model 25s instead of 50s. Guess
I'll find out once I uncover them.
It's hard to confuse them. The 25 is an all-in-one. The easier ones to
confuse are the 30 and the 55SX, as they came in the same case.
Peace... Sridhar
4:22 p.m.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
The 35 and 56 also had similar cases despite one is
ISA and one is
microchannel. The 60, 65 and 80 towers are very easy to mistake as the only
external difference is the logo plate.
There are others too. Like the 85 and the 95. The 195, 295 and the 8600.
A couple others.
Peace... Sridhar
4:34 p.m.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote:
I know I have 3 model 60 machines in various conditions. What was the
fastest 486 class microchannel machine that was made?
-Toth
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
The 35 and 56 also had similar cases despite one is ISA and one is
microchannel. The 60, 65 and 80 towers are very easy to mistake as the
only external difference is the logo plate. Right, I didn't even think about the ISA
machines. I've seen so many
of the microchannel systems that I often forget about the others.
As I think about it, I might actually have several model 25s
instead of 50s. Guess I'll find out once I uncover them.
It's hard to confuse them. The 25 is an all-in-one. The easier ones
to confuse are the 30 and the 55SX, as they came in the same case.
4:57 p.m.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
I know I have 3 model 60 machines in various
conditions. What was the
fastest 486 class microchannel machine that was made?
Well, first the 60 isn't a 486. It's a 286. The fastest Intel-based
Microchannel machine was the IBM PC Server 720. It has 6 Pentiums. The
fastest Microchannel 486 was the IBM PC Server Server 95A with a
486DX2-66, but Pentium was already out by then.
Peace... Sridhar
5:33 p.m.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
That I know they are 286 class, I didn't mean to imply that I thought they
were a 486. Two of the three machines have an Intel snap-in 386 installed,
so they have a subset of the 386 instruction set available, but are still
basically 286 machines.
I know I have 3 model 60 machines in various
conditions. What was the
fastest 486 class microchannel machine that was made?
Well, first the 60 isn't a 486. It's a 286. The fastest Intel-based Microchannel machine was the
IBM PC Server
720. It has 6 Pentiums. The fastest Microchannel 486 was the IBM PC
Server Server 95A with a 486DX2-66, but Pentium was already out by
then.
I'd like to find a 486 or pentium class microchannel machine to test
software with one of these days. I'm just not sure what I should be
looking for.
-Toth
5:51 p.m.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
There are even Pentium-II based Microchannel machines, but they have PCI
host bridges, with a PCI-Microchannel Bridge sitting on the PCI bus. If
you want a PS/2 Server 95A Pentium Processor Complex, I have one for sale.
Peace... Sridhar
That I know they are 286 class, I didn't mean to
imply that I thought they
were a 486. Two of the three machines have an Intel snap-in 386 installed,
so they have a subset of the 386 instruction set available, but are still
basically 286 machines.
Yup. The best upgrades for these machines, though, were (IMHO) the AOX
Micromaster 486.
The fastest
Intel-based Microchannel machine was the IBM PC Server
720. It has 6 Pentiums. The fastest Microchannel 486 was the IBM PC
Server Server 95A with a 486DX2-66, but Pentium was already out by
then.
I'd like to find a 486 or pentium class microchannel machine to test
software with one of these days. I'm just not sure what I should be
looking for.
4:58 p.m.
It's a toss between a few of them running 486DX2-66 and better, mostly the
Server 95-486, the 90 and 70. They all had a L2 cache option in various
configs making them way fastre than the SLC and non-cached versions.
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote:
I know I have 3 model 60 machines in various conditions. What was the
fastest 486 class microchannel machine that was made?
-Toth
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
The 35 and 56 also had similar cases despite one is ISA and one is
microchannel. The 60, 65 and 80 towers are very easy to mistake as the
only external difference is the logo plate. Right, I didn't even think about the ISA
machines. I've seen so many
of the microchannel systems that I often forget about the others.
As I think about it, I might actually have several model 25s
instead of 50s. Guess I'll find out once I uncover them.
It's hard to confuse them. The 25 is an all-in-one. The easier ones
to confuse are the 30 and the 55SX, as they came in the same case.
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