On Oct 24, 8:36, Eric J. Korpela wrote: AppleTalk box, transforming Some flavour of Cayman GatorBox, perhaps? I have a GatorBox CS (you can still get software updates from Cayman's FTP site), and although I've never tried this, it is supposed to be able to allow Unix machines (or other machines that talk TCP/IP) to print to Laserwriters on the Localtalk bus. We used to have two at work which allowed Mac users to use our Unix printers and Unix/NFS filestore (which suggests it does translate properly in both directions). They also allowed our Macs to talk to others on the campus, which involved going through at least two IP routers and the ATM network as well as the two ethernet segments and GatorBoxes, though I think that used some sort of tunnelling mechanism. And of course all the Macs, PCs, and Unix machiners could ping and telnet to each other, though I'm not sure how much of that involved the GatorBoxes and how much was done by software in the Macs. We no longer have/use the GatorBoxes at work, though two other Departments still do, I believe. Our Mac users use Dave to talk to the print servers and file servers. I don't know much about it, but I think it's a sort of Samba client -- doubtless some of the Mac users on the list know much more than I. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York