Hmmm... He stayed with my family during a 3-day stop in September 1978... I gave him a 23-channel CB radio to ease the trip out, and he gave me a copy of a Nektar album (it wasn't "Remember the Future"). White and olive drab VW Microbus. gotten started when he got back to the Left Coast. He *might* have started formulating the ideas while in Harrisburg (Harrisville?) State Prison. We corresponded for a while before he went in; I was an early user on WRBBS (Ward and Randy's BBS), and if it wasn't that BBS, it might have been The Well or one of the other Kalifornia BBSs... I contacted Adam Osborne, and asked if he could use his clout to help John out. His reply was that while he didn't necessarily accept the Government's version of what happened, that John was indeed in deep doodoo and anyone that tried to help would get sh*t on their shoes. Now John's doing fine, tho work comes to him slowly, and poor Adam Osborne is slowly dying in a village in India, from Parkinson's Disease. BTW, I'm told that one of Adam's expressed wishes is that he be left to go in peace... Let's all thank him for his efforts and achievements, and wish him a Happy Journey into the hereafter. And please don't take that the wrong way. He was right- my brief association with John led to my departure from my position at the University where I'd hoped to get on full-time... but I bear absolutely no grudge for that. The system just plain sucks. -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixsnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits