I was trying to leave it vague, specifically because I WANTED to elict discussions like "Does Voyager count?". I wanted to see what the general opinions of list members were regarding what they felt was the oldest computer or computer system still in regular use. If I tried to clarify it too much, then I risked people not answering because they felt it didn't qualify (I'll be the judge of what I feel doesn't qualify for myself, but I wanted all opinons regardless). Although both are valid, I was really after an electronic computer (although I don't care if it is digital or analog). Actually, answers like these are why I left it vague. I hadn't even thought about either answer, and both are fully valid. They are old "computing" systems, still operating today. Had I clarified my question with specific parameters, then you might not have suggested them as possible answers. I'm just curious what the oldest someone has gotten connected to the internet is. So someone finding a way to connect a Univac, even if it is just for 10 minutes to see if it can be done would be acceptable to me. This question had a 2nd part to it that asked what was the oldest that was hosting a web site (although in rethinking my own question, I would accept any kind of public accessable internet connected server be it web, ftp, telnet, or whatever). So this part would imply a longer duration connection. BUT, you also bring up an interesting 4th question... what computer has been connected to the internet the longest (and in addition, which one has the longest single continious uptime of internet connection and how long is/was that) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>