And that request is: Would Sam, Wirehead Prime, and 'Joe' PLEASE move your mass argument to private E-mail? You can bash each other all you want over there. If the noise level doesn't drop soon, I may fade away as well. Gad, Usenet is less noisy at the moment... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."