5 May
2001
5 May
'01
10:41 a.m.
Sources on the net say this is (part of) an
RA-92.
On Sat, 5 May 2001 16:38:15 -0400 "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com>
writes:
Anybody want to help me ID this drive?
It appeared to be 8" platter, but new, approx
9"x7"x18" 20lb? or so, power-ish connector >6 pins
on one end, SCSI-ish on the other,
with the following >>> DEC <<< #'s:
P/N 70-26850-02 S/N KP04834329 Bearing
P/N 70-27265-01 S/N CX10325134 RevE09
P/N 70-27492-01 S/N CX10325134
It was very light for its size.
I'm probably going to go back and but 1 tomorrow ($10)
but will get more if people here want.
I was surprised to see such a large drive since the seller
said he got them new and most nonremoveable drives
made in the last 10 years have been 5.25~3.5 form factor.
Anyhoo, lemme know if'n you know/want.
John A.
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6 May
6 May
9:44 a.m.
Sources on the net say this is (part of) an
RA-92.
That's what it was, thanks. I kept looking, using
the product ID you gave me and it looks like a
1.5G, proprietary DEC interface ?HDA.
The Trenton Computer Festival was something of an
experience, Huge but shallow. Almost no DEC stuff
at all, Quite a few parts, too much PeeCee. I
think I'd go again since it's only once a year.
There were quite a few Macs and Sun tho.
Glad there's still the MIT out here to go to.
The comparative sizes of the two might be
MIT: 225 spaces, TCF: 550 outside spaces, 100
oversized inside spaces. Forgot how big Foothill
was, 300? MIT is great because it's located within
the 128 beltway.
John A.
10:40 a.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
The Trenton Computer Festival was something of an
experience, Huge but shallow. Almost no DEC stuff
at all, Quite a few parts, too much PeeCee. I
think I'd go again since it's only once a year.
There were quite a few Macs and Sun tho.
Glad there's still the MIT out here to go to.
The comparative sizes of the two might be
MIT: 225 spaces, TCF: 550 outside spaces, 100
oversized inside spaces. Forgot how big Foothill
was, 300? MIT is great because it's located within
the 128 beltway.
John A.
John -- any idea what the Sun Sparc10's and Sparc20's were
going for... I was going to go and look for some but got too busy with
other stuff.
Most of the DEC stuff in the area cleared through Trenton over 4 year ago.
The show had tons of PDP8's and PDP11/23's and 11/34's and MicroVaxes
back in the late 80's.
Bill
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11:30 a.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
Quoting Bill Pechter <pechter(a)bg-tc-ppp427.monmouth.com>om>:
Most of the DEC stuff in the area cleared through
Trenton over 4
year ago. The show had tons of PDP8's and PDP11/23's and 11/34's
and MicroVaxes back in the late 80's.
Something like that has been my luck while scouring the Oklahoma
City metro area for PDP-11 stuff. I've talked to numerous people
that told me "yeah, we had some of those, but we sent 'em to the
scrapyard about five years go". It's a shame that I couldn't have
gotten into this a little earlier. :-)
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11:38 a.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
Most of the DEC stuff in the area cleared through
Trenton over 4 year ago.
The show had tons of PDP8's and PDP11/23's and 11/34's and MicroVaxes
back in the late 80's.
I found the show disappointing. It wasn't nearly as good as previous
years - and I can't tell you how many times the dealers told me how much
they could get for the item I was interested in on eBay. (Hint: more
than I was willing to pay.)
The only semi-interesting items I bought that comply with the 10-year
rule were an ugly Mac 512k with a SCSI upgrade for $1 and a nice SCSI
floppy drive for the Mac for $5. Aside from a couple Apple IIe's, I only
saw two 8-bit systems: a Commodore 64 and a TI-99/4a. I bought the
Commodore for $1.
I passed on what looked like a Vax (I wasn't entirely sure - it was about
half missing and in horrible condition) for $600 and also passed on a $70
Apple IIgs.
Tom
P.S. Anybody have some cheap 70ns RAM for a DEC 3000?
Applefritter
www.applefritter.com
12:31 p.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
Tom Owad wrote:
I passed on what looked like a Vax (I wasn't
entirely sure - it was about
half missing and in horrible condition) for $600 and also passed on a $70
Apple IIgs.
Those guts seemed to think that everything they had was gold, they wanted
$100 for a butt set. I also saw the Vax but after the butt set I knew they
only wanted money. I came a way with an 1994 ARRL book for $5 and 6 28 pin
headers for $6 (the fine one for taking emulators and pluggin them into
a CPU socket). I tried ordering them from Digikey but always got the wrong
part. I think I'll skip next years show although they want me as a speaker
for the HA stuff I do. I'll think about it.
BTW the Sparc-20's were going for $400 complete. I have them in the lab
(at work) so I had no interest in them.
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3:36 p.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
BTW the Sparc-20's were going for $400 complete. I
have them in the lab
(at work) so I had no interest in them.
Thanks to the Sunblade 100 the prices of the Sparc 5's, 10's and 20's, as
well as the Ultra 1's finally seem to be coming down to a slightly more
reasonable price. I'm even seeing nice dual processor Ultra 2's for under
$2000. If the Sparc 20's were going for $400, then they'd better have
either good processors or a monitor included.
Of course extra pieces might cost a pretty penny, though I did just pick up
some dirt cheap 32MB DIMM's that should work in my Sparc 20 on eBay. What
I'd really like to find is a 8MB VSIMM for it, and that costs more than I
want to spend. The 100Mbit S-Bus boards will also cost you. Then there is
the price of a mounting bracket for HD's, I ended up using a piece of thick
cardboard yesterday for a Sparc 5 I'm playing with!
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4:01 p.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
"Zane H. Healy" wrote:
They were really complete, monitor, keyboard, disks, memory (all banks)
keyboard and I/O. There were loads of IPC, IPC, Sparc 1's and a few
Ultra's.
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BTW the Sparc-20's were going for $400
complete. I have them in the lab
(at work) so I had no interest in them.
Thanks to the Sunblade 100 the prices of the Sparc 5's, 10's and 20's, as
well as the Ultra 1's finally seem to be coming down to a slightly more
reasonable price. I'm even seeing nice dual processor Ultra 2's for under
$2000. If the Sparc 20's were going for $400, then they'd better have
either good processors or a monitor included. 
4:09 p.m.
New subject: Sun Sparc systems and sheet metal (was: Re: Trenton Computer...)
On Sun, 6 May 2001, Zane H. Healy wrote:
[someone else [who?] wrote:]
>BTW the Sparc-20's were going for $400
complete. I have them in the lab
>(at work) so I had no interest in them.
Any idea you know what CPUs these had in them, such as the faster
aftermarket replacements? The US$400 price seems rather high, given
that I paid US$75 for a SparcServer 1000 with three CPUs, 768MB of RAM,
four hard drives, a CD-ROM drive and a 4mm internal tape drive at the
last hamfest... the seller wanted US$100 for it, but I managed to get
the price down to a slightly more reasonable level. :-)
reasonable price. I'm even seeing nice dual
processor Ultra 2's for under
$2000. If the Sparc 20's were going for $400, then they'd better have
either good processors or a monitor included.
Yes... I've seen Sparc 20's with slowish processors and about 32MB of
RAM and a 2GB drive selling for under US$50.
Of course extra pieces might cost a pretty penny,
though I did just pick up
some dirt cheap 32MB DIMM's that should work in my Sparc 20 on eBay. What
I'd really like to find is a 8MB VSIMM for it, and that costs more than I
want to spend. The 100Mbit S-Bus boards will also cost you. Then there is
the price of a mounting bracket for HD's, I ended up using a piece of thick
cardboard yesterday for a Sparc 5 I'm playing with!
Hmmm... you can get some cheap sheet-metal from places that sell
heating and air-conditioning equipment. A few years ago, back around
1980, one of them even bent the metal for me to form a cover for a
sound sythesizer switch panel. An added bounus: the metal was
galvanized, so I never had to paint it. :-)
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7 May
7 May
3:24 a.m.
New subject: Sun Sparc systems and sheet metal (was: Re: Trenton Computer...)
Any idea you know what CPUs these had in them, such as
the faster
aftermarket replacements? The US$400 price seems rather high, given
that I paid US$75 for a SparcServer 1000 with three CPUs, 768MB of RAM,
four hard drives, a CD-ROM drive and a 4mm internal tape drive at the
last hamfest... the seller wanted US$100 for it, but I managed to get
the price down to a slightly more reasonable level. :-)
OK, obviously you're in a lot less of a Sparc poor area than some of us!
The only Sun stuff I've seen at the local swap meet is some manuals,
QIC-150's, and a couple CD's. The only hardware I've found in the last few
years was some Sparc 2's at the local scrapper, and some dead 1962 monitors
at a couple places. That leaves ePay.
Though I did hear one of the guys one of my neighbors works with found some
Sparc 10's at a Goodwill on the other side of town.
I know there are companies that use them in the area, but it could be there
like the one I work for and are still using them all, we're using Sparc 2's
for certain jobs (even know of one computer room with a IPC). I was
walking through one of our computer rooms that I'd not been in for a long
time a few weeks ago, I couldn't believe the huge number of Sparc 10's that
we're still using!
Yes... I've seen Sparc 20's with slowish
processors and about 32MB of
RAM and a 2GB drive selling for under US$50.
Wow! I'd love to see them at that price. Of course I think my Sparc 20
with dual SM71's and a CD-ROM (no RAM or S-Bus cards) only cost me $150 on
eBay, but it was listed such that it looked like a bare base.
Hmmm... you can get some cheap sheet-metal from places
that sell
heating and air-conditioning equipment. A few years ago, back around
1980, one of them even bent the metal for me to form a cover for a
sound sythesizer switch panel. An added bounus: the metal was
galvanized, so I never had to paint it. :-)
I cheated, and just stuck a sheet of cardboard under the drive, with screws
in the bottom holes of the drive, the combo is enough to get it to the
height of the SCA connector, my only concern being if the drive vibrations
are enough to loosen the connection over time and have it unplug itself.
Zane
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6 May
6 May
12:35 p.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
Tom
P.S. Anybody have some cheap 70ns RAM for a DEC 3000?
BTW, when asking this question you need to specify which DEC 3000 Model
you're refering to. Some will work with standard 72-pin True Parity SIMMs,
others require different RAM.
Zane
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2:36 p.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
P.S. Anybody
have some cheap 70ns RAM for a DEC 3000?
BTW, when asking this question you need to specify which DEC 3000 Model
you're refering to. Some will work with standard 72-pin True Parity SIMMs,
others require different RAM. 
7 May
7 May
5:35 a.m.
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6:40 a.m.
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I thought I
was being clever when I bought a cheap DEC 3000/400 (I think)
for the RAM, but it turns out the 400 had 60ns RAM, while my 900 required
70ns.
Why would any machine object to RAM that was faster than it needed?
8:52 a.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
I thought I
was being clever when I bought a cheap DEC 3000/400 (I think)
for the RAM, but it turns out the 400 had 60ns RAM, while my 900 required
70ns.
Why would any machine object to RAM that was faster than it needed?
(assuming the same type of RAM chips, same pinouts on the modules, etc).
The access time is generally a worst-case anyway, and under some
circumstances the data will be available sooner that you'd expect. It's
just that you design the memory controller based on the quoted access
time, since then you _know_ the data will be valid when you expect it.
-tony 
7:36 p.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
It's not a Computer, but I know for a fact that an
HP5MP Laserjet will not
work with 60ns RAM, it wants 70ns RAM (company I bought the RAM from sent
60ns by mistake). It just plain wouldn't recognize the RAM.
I suspect some other incompatibility was the problem, since plenty of 70 ns
will actually run at 60 ns. I never heard of a memory process test to be
sure memory would not run at a slightly higher speed under at least some
conditions.
8 May
8 May
6:23 a.m.
New subject: parts needed
I'm looking for the following items.
Please contact me directly.
one PostScript Cartridge #33439Q (for an HP IIIp)
one or more ISA riser cards
Thanks,
Andy
6:42 a.m.
New subject: parts needed
If you mean an ISA extender board, i.e. what you'd use to move a circuit under
test up to where you can get at it, VECTOR still sells what's probably as good a
board as you could want. They're available at DigiKey, among other places.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andreas Meyer" <ahm(a)spies.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 12:23 PM
Subject: parts needed
I'm looking for the following items.
Please contact me directly.
one PostScript Cartridge #33439Q (for an HP IIIp)
one or more ISA riser cards
Thanks,
Andy
7:12 a.m.
New subject: parts needed
Richard Erlacher writes:
If you mean an ISA extender board,
Actually, I'm looking for the kind that will allow me to mount an ISA card
parallel to the motherboard. I've seen them in desktop systems and
I expect that people just throw them away.
Thanks,
Andy
8:14 a.m.
New subject: parts needed
--- Andreas Meyer <ahm(a)spies.com> wrote:
Richard Erlacher writes:
Frequently called a "riser board". Some have an ISA connector on the bottom,
some are proprietary.
-ethan
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If you mean an ISA extender board,
Actually, I'm looking for the kind that will allow me to mount an ISA card
parallel to the motherboard. I've seen them in desktop systems and
I expect that people just throw them away.
8:15 a.m.
New subject: parts needed
Actually, I'm looking for the kind that will allow
me to mount an ISA card
parallel to the motherboard.
I got one or two from short desktop systems that I scapped a year ago.
problem: the extension is minimal, it really just folds the 90deg.
plus: there are two or three sockets instead of one.
It may be proprietary since I fear (but don't know) that one slot cannot
be m-plexed in std isa. Seemed like straight through connections.
J-A
10:23 a.m.
New subject: parts needed
Isa slots don't care how many devices are plugged into them. if you look
at the ISA chain on your standard motherboard, the slots are all chained
together anyways :) the riser card just does vertically what the slots on
the mainboard are already doing horizontally
At 04:15 PM 5/8/01 -0400, you wrote:
Actually,
I'm looking for the kind that will allow me to mount an ISA card
parallel to the motherboard.
I got one or two from short desktop systems that I scapped a year ago.
problem: the extension is minimal, it really just folds the 90deg.
plus: there are two or three sockets instead of one.
It may be proprietary since I fear (but don't know) that one slot cannot
be m-plexed in std isa. Seemed like straight through connections.
J-A 
1:14 p.m.
New subject: parts needed
It may be proprietary since I fear (but don't know)
that one slot cannot
be m-plexed in std isa. Seemed like straight through connections.
My recollection is that the XT (and presumably AT) slots are simply wired
in parallel. Unlike certain other systems (Apple ][), the IBM can not
tell which slot a board is in.
EXCEPT!!!:
On the real (non-clone) IBM XT, the slot closest to the power supply IS
different from the others!
When IBM released the XT, they had an awful surplus of serial cards, so
they stuck a "free" serial card into that slot to prevent it from getting
used for anything else that it might not be compatible with.
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9 May
9 May
7:04 a.m.
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8 May
8 May
9:04 a.m.
New subject: parts needed
I've never been inclined to throw such things away. They normally come with
motherboards that live in cabinets that accomodate expansion boards that mount,
as you said, parallel to the motherboard. I've never owned a motherboard that
required one that didn't come in a box dedicated to such applications. Oddly
enough, I do believe I've got one or two in a drawer somewhere.
If it's two, perhaps you can let me know how many slots you need. It seems to
me that I have one on which the boards protrude in both directions, the riser
having connectors on both sides. The other has the PCB sockets on only one
side. These were just odd enough that I held onto them. I'd say you might find
that nearly any PS/1 that you see at the local thrift store will have one
inside. That may cost less than postage on one.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andreas Meyer" <ahm(a)spies.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: parts needed
Richard Erlacher writes:
If you mean an ISA extender board,
Actually, I'm looking for the kind that will allow me to mount an ISA card
parallel to the motherboard. I've seen them in desktop systems and
I expect that people just throw them away.
Thanks,
Andy
4:54 p.m.
New subject: parts needed
Richard Erlacher writes:
Aren't those generally proprietary to the brand/model of motherboard?
If you mean an ISA extender board,
Actually, I'm looking for the kind that will allow me to mount an ISA card
parallel to the motherboard. I've seen them in desktop systems and
I expect that people just throw them away. 
6 May
6 May
5:17 p.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
On Sun, 6 May 2001, Tom Owad wrote:
I get this from time to time from sellers at local ham fests. I respond
something to the effect that if they want to get the eBay price then they
should sell it on eBay, but I don't see the point of them having gone
through all the trouble of packing their stuff up and hauling it down to a
parking lot to stew all day in the sun and refuse a reasonable offer. I
also then remind them of how much work it is to pack, label and ship the
item to the buyer and ask them to calculate how much their time is worth
to them. At that point the sensible sellers will see it my way and give
into my offer. The assholes will go home with the item and maybe
successfully sell it on eBay.
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Most of the DEC
stuff in the area cleared through Trenton over 4 year ago.
The show had tons of PDP8's and PDP11/23's and 11/34's and MicroVaxes
back in the late 80's.
I found the show disappointing. It wasn't nearly as good as previous
years - and I can't tell you how many times the dealers told me how much
they could get for the item I was interested in on eBay. (Hint: more
than I was willing to pay.) 
7 May
7 May
2:06 a.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
Well...
I get this from time to time from sellers at local ham
fests. I respond
something to the effect that if they want to get the eBay price then they
should sell it on eBay, but I don't see the point of them having gone
Ah! I agree 100%....If you want ebay price, go try sell it on ebay with all
the hassles attached...
through all the trouble of packing their stuff up and
hauling it down to a
parking lot to stew all day in the sun and refuse a reasonable offer. I
also then remind them of how much work it is to pack, label and ship the
item to the buyer and ask them to calculate how much their time is worth
to them. At that point the sensible sellers will see it my way and give
into my offer. The assholes will go home with the item and maybe
successfully sell it on eBay.
Always baffeld by the kinda stuff I see at hamfests. Some ot this stuff is
in so bad shape, I would be ashamed to display it in front of me...
I can't understand people "holding on" to their stuff when they go to a
hamfests and hauling it back in the car or van...It just damages the stuff,
the car etc... I go to one hamfest per year with a bunch of people from work
(all electronic techs) we go there to get RID not RICH! I often finish off
the day writing "GRATUIT" (free in french) and just giving the stuf away if
it's still on my table...Around 11:00 - 12:00 I often do a "TAKE IT ALL FOR
$10"...this usually includes several computers, monitors and other
stuff...no scratch, dented junk...
Claude
http://computer_collector.tripod.com
3:08 a.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
Supposedly at the end of the TCF, 4:00pm Sunday,
(I didn't stay past 1) they have a dumpster party where there
are a couple of free dumpsters for the sellers leftovers
(nice touch) and those others that want to go in for a dive are
permitted to do so. BTW Saturday is superior to Sunday as
far as number of sellers, and sunday had no New sellers from
what I could see.
The RA92's were still there so I had my hands full with two &
a shoulderbag. Thanks DEC, for putting the handles on them.
Other stuff: A HP 9000, undescribable by owner, an HP MO
jukebox, 3 IIe's, decent 40% off books, monster supply of
Pakistani steel handtools (think I got 8).
John A.
8:12 a.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
I get this from time to time from sellers at local ham
fests. I respond
something to the effect that if they want to get the eBay price then they
should sell it on eBay, but I don't see the point of them having gone
through all the trouble of packing their stuff up and hauling it down to a
parking lot to stew all day in the sun and refuse a reasonable offer. I
also then remind them of how much work it is to pack, label and ship the
item to the buyer and ask them to calculate how much their time is worth
to them. At that point the sensible sellers will see it my way and give
into my offer. The assholes will go home with the item and maybe
successfully sell it on eBay.
I agree....if it's a choice between selling to a local for a
little less or having to go through the trouble of packing and
shipping it, and possibly deal with it being damaged, then I'll sell
to the local everytime!
Jeff
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7 May
7 May
12:13 a.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
and a nice
SCSI floppy drive for the Mac for $5.
A Daynafile or something else? 
12:42 a.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
By the way, I've only seen a few people mention TFC, and I'm wondering who
all went? I went, and met a friend of mine (who also subscribes), but I
personally didn't pick anything up. The only thing I saw that would catch my
eye was what looked like a well-abused VAX 4000. Whoever here got the
RA92(s), I think it at the same guy.
6 May
6 May
8:06 p.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
At 07:38 PM 5/6/01 -0400, you wrote:
... I can't tell you how many times the dealers
told me how much
they could get for the item I was interested in on eBay. (Hint: more
than I was willing to pay.)
Having sold stuff on E-bay I usually respond to this:
"So you want to wait three to ten days, maybe get more
maybe less, wait for some payment, or maybe not, and
box it up and get it mailed, and then deal with the
jerks who either don't pay or claim you mislead them,
and then deal with the mail system going south or
Ebay goes down. What are you a masochist? I'll give
you $X for this and it will walk away on its own power
and you'll have coin in your pocket. So what's it
going to be?"
--Chuck
7 May
7 May
3:27 a.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
The closets I get to a swap meet is the local computer show, sometimes
the used content is pretty high. It is all PC based, of course. I
haven't had anybody give me the Ebay line, but I'll remember your
approach Chuck.... it makes sence to me :-)
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Chuck McManis wrote:
Having sold stuff on E-bay I usually respond to this:
"So you want to wait three to ten days, maybe get more
maybe less, wait for some payment, or maybe not, and
box it up and get it mailed, and then deal with the
jerks who either don't pay or claim you mislead them,
and then deal with the mail system going south or
Ebay goes down. What are you a masochist? I'll give
you $X for this and it will walk away on its own power
and you'll have coin in your pocket. So what's it
going to be?"
--Chuck
6:22 a.m.
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The closets I get to a swap meet is the local computer
show, sometimes
the used content is pretty high. It is all PC based, of course. I
haven't had anybody give me the Ebay line, but I'll remember your
approach Chuck.... it makes sence to me :-)
Here in the Dallas area we have the First Saturday sale
every month. It's mostly PC stuff, but there are some
Sun and DEC stuff at times. The prices are usually above
eBay. I don't make an offer on the Sun stuff since I
don't collect Sun (although I have a couple of IPCs in
the closet), but I've made an offer on the DEC stuff.
The sellers almost always respond with, "I can get more
for that on eBay" so I just let them. I know I can
get the item for less on eBay, even with shipping
included.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
1:55 p.m.
New subject: Brand new, old stock IBM keyboards
Getting to the bottom of this auction I started on last week, current find
are some brand new in the box IBM brand AT/XT era keyboards. Anybody on the
list want one for $10 and shipping before I eBay the rest? (I have one
buried in my car, so I can check model number etc. later tonight)
3:58 p.m.
New subject: Brand new, old stock IBM keyboards
On Mon, 7 May 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
Getting to the bottom of this auction I started on
last week, current find
are some brand new in the box IBM brand AT/XT era keyboards. Anybody on the
list want one for $10 and shipping before I eBay the rest? (I have one
buried in my car, so I can check model number etc. later tonight)
Thanks!
Count me in! I could use a new XT keyboard... and an AT keyboard.
--
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8:26 p.m.
New subject: Brand new, old stock IBM keyboards
On Mon, 7 May 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
> Getting to the bottom of this auction I started on last week, current find
> are some brand new in the box IBM brand AT/XT era keyboards. Anybody on the
> list want one for $10 and shipping before I eBay the rest? (I have one
> buried in my car, so I can check model number etc. later tonight)
These are the heavy original keyboards, PN 1503206. The badge at the top
left says IBM Personal Computer, below it is a double column of 10 function
keys in a darker shade, the Qwerty matching the case, with a numeric
section on the right, and NO LEDS that I could find. The cable is coiled
black with the big 5 pin thing (AT?). I have two now, but ONE of those is
MINE. I may be able to get as many as 8 more in the morning, so far about 5
people want one.
8 May
8 May
6 a.m.
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7:17 a.m.
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On Tue, 8 May 2001, Tony Duell wrote:
BTW, for the XT, IBM changed that badge by adding the letters XT.
Therefore, these would be the "RARE" PC ones.
These are the
heavy original keyboards, PN 1503206. The badge at the top
left says IBM Personal Computer, below it is a double column of 10 function
That's the PC and PC/XT keybaord AFAIK. It won't work on a PC/AT. The
connector has the same pinouts (well, the same signal names), but the
data protocol is rather different.
8:02 a.m.
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On Tue, 8 May 2001, Tony Duell wrote:
Oops!
I took a look at half a dozen; they all just say IBM : Personal
: Computer"
I took a better look at the "XT" keyboard; it has definitely been
"tampered with". The "XT" badge on it probably came from the case of
an
XT.
My apologies for the wrong information.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
BTW, for the
XT, IBM changed that badge by adding the letters XT.
Did they?
I have a PC/XT system here. The 3 parts (keyboard, system box, MDA
And the keyboard's badge simply reads :
IBM
Personal
Computer
Are you saying I have the 'wrong' keyboard?
4:59 p.m.
New subject: Brand new, old stock IBM keyboards
On Tue, 8 May 2001, Tony Duell wrote:
BTW, for the XT, IBM changed that badge by adding the letters XT.
Therefore, these would be the "RARE" PC ones.
Considerably more rare to me this morning, some &&(%% grabbed my stack of
them at the auction site. I am pretty sure of who it was, nice lady,
fingers coated in glue. What completely upsets me is that these are almost
certainly worthless to her, and will get thrown out once looked
over/tested. Maybe I can talk to her tomorrow, sigh.
These are
the heavy original keyboards, PN 1503206. The badge at the top
left says IBM Personal Computer, below it is a double column of 10
function
That's the PC and PC/XT keybaord AFAIK. It won't work on a PC/AT. The
connector has the same pinouts (well, the same signal names), but the
data protocol is rather different.
7 May
7 May
5:10 p.m.
New subject: Brand new, old stock IBM keyboards
Mike,
I would love to get an NOS Model M, if you have one available.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Mike Ford wrote:
Getting to the bottom of this auction I started on last week, current find
are some brand new in the box IBM brand AT/XT era keyboards. Anybody on the
list want one for $10 and shipping before I eBay the rest? (I have one
buried in my car, so I can check model number etc. later tonight)
6 May
6 May
1:55 p.m.
New subject: Trenton State Computer Festival
John -- any idea what the Sun Sparc10's and
Sparc20's were
going for... I was going to go and look for some but got too busy with
other stuff.
I noticed things in {big} piles, for $5~20 each. Might not've been 20's
nor 10's. Uh, Duuuh, what comes after Sparc2? (JA's a Sun moron)
Really, I knew Apollo's before Sun and SGI after, kinda missed Suns per
se. Seems I learned Unix on everything But a Sun.
Most of the DEC stuff in the area cleared through
Trenton over 4 year ago.
The show had tons of PDP8's and PDP11/23's and 11/34's and MicroVaxes
back in the late 80's.
But, uV2+'es were New in the late 80's. That's my gripe.
The MIT flea mentioned earlier is better in Workstations even though it's
1/4 the size and spread out over several months.
John A.
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