6 Sep
2005
6 Sep
'05
10:23 a.m.
Hi,
This is my first venture (or an attempt to venture) into the world of VMS.
I have a couple of questions:
1) Is there an emulator, etc to run OpenVMS on and where can I get it as
well as OpenVMS?
2) Does OpenVMS support the notion of shared libraries (DLL to you windoze
users)...
I want to re-port an old application, but want to use OpenVMS instead. I
don't have a machine that is capable of running VMS (nor do I have the space
for one), so an emulator will suffice....
Thanks,
Ram
6 Sep
6 Sep
10:53 a.m.
>>>> "Ram" == Ram
Meenakshisundaram <RMeenaks at olf.com> writes:
Ram> Hi, This is my first venture (or an attempt to venture) into the
Ram> world of VMS. I have a couple of questions:
Ram> 1) Is there an emulator, etc to run OpenVMS on and where can I
Ram> get it as well as OpenVMS?
SIMH.
Ram> 2) Does OpenVMS support the notion of shared libraries (DLL to
Ram> you windoze users)...
Yes, from day 1.
paul
10:57 a.m.
Ram Meenakshisundaram wrote:
Hi,
This is my first venture (or an attempt to venture) into the world of VMS.
I have a couple of questions:
1) Is there an emulator, etc to run OpenVMS on and where can I get it as
well as OpenVMS?
SIMH (Emulator): http://simh.trailing-edge.com/
VMS: http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/
You need to be an Encompass member to get VMS licenses.
2) Does OpenVMS support the notion of shared libraries
(DLL to you windoze
users)...
Yes.
I want to re-port an old application, but want to use
OpenVMS instead. I
don't have a machine that is capable of running VMS (nor do I have the space
for one), so an emulator will suffice....
Why don't you get a VAXstation 4000/vlc? It's one of the tiniest
pizza-box cases I've ever seen. Significantly smaller than something
like a Sun 3/60.
Peace... Sridhar
11:50 a.m.
Rumor has it that Sridhar Ayengar may have mentioned these words:
Ram Meenakshisundaram wrote:
>Hi,
>This is my first venture (or an attempt to venture) into the world of VMS.
[snippage]
Why don't you get a VAXstation 4000/vlc? It's
one of the tiniest
pizza-box cases I've ever seen.
Because for some that are tight on space, you still have a monitor,
keyboard, possibly a mouse, a desk to actually stick it all on, etc.
In my particular case, I wouldn't have room (read: 130 year old home with
*dinky* rooms) for a pizza box, either... :-/
That said, I'm still trying to figure out how to set up a CoCo system
again... ;-)
=-= However =-=
Ram, if you're looking for some room for a VMS box, I'd *gladly* trade you
my totally decked out VaxStation 3100 for one of your transputers... ;^>
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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2:15 p.m.
Roger Merchberger wrote:
You don't need a monitor, keyboard or mouse. It's quite possible to run
one with a serial console, so if you have any machine with a serial
port, a terminal emulator program and a null-modem cable, you're in
business.
Peace... Sridhar
Why don't
you get a VAXstation 4000/vlc? It's one of the tiniest
pizza-box cases I've ever seen.
Because for some that are tight on space, you still have a monitor,
keyboard, possibly a mouse, a desk to actually stick it all on, etc. 
6:15 p.m.
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:15:34 -0400
Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
Roger Merchberger wrote:
You don't need a monitor, keyboard or mouse. It's quite possible to
run one with a serial console, so if you have any machine with a
serial port, a terminal emulator program and a null-modem cable,
you're in business.
Peace... Sridhar
Get a MicroVAX 3100 like the one I have. Small footprint, and it's
IMPOSSIBLE to connect a monitor and keyboard to it, because it has no
frame buffer.
(One of the definitions of a 'real computer' is that it _must_ be
possible to operate out-of-the-box, without special tricks, without a
keyboard and monitor)
Why
don't you get a VAXstation 4000/vlc? It's one of the tiniest
pizza-box cases I've ever seen.
Because for some that are tight on space, you still have a monitor,
keyboard, possibly a mouse, a desk to actually stick it all on, etc.
6:23 p.m.
Scott Stevens wrote:
Except it's a whole lot bigger than a 4000/vlc.
Peace... Sridhar
You don't
need a monitor, keyboard or mouse. It's quite possible to
run one with a serial console, so if you have any machine with a
serial port, a terminal emulator program and a null-modem cable,
you're in business.
Get a MicroVAX 3100 like the one I have. Small footprint, and it's
IMPOSSIBLE to connect a monitor and keyboard to it, because it has no
frame buffer. 
10:59 a.m.
Ram Meenakshisundaram wrote:
Hi Ram,
Hi,
This is my first venture (or an attempt to venture) into the world of VMS.
I have a couple of questions:
1) Is there an emulator, etc to run OpenVMS on and where can I get it as
well as OpenVMS?
Yes, but I'm not sure of what platform and cost. I'd never considered
it. You'd also need a VMS license and they are not cheap. I have an
advantage as I was engineering for DEC and took a deal available to
employees back then. However that limits me to V5.x versions but thats
ok even though 7.3 is current.
You can check www.montagar.com to see what the hobbiest license entails.
There is an active newgroup comp.os.vms.
2) Does OpenVMS support the notion of shared libraries
(DLL to you windoze
users)...
Yes but very different from winders. Never did a direct comparison to
winders or unix. Also all the winders work I do are either at the
hardware level (boxes and networks) or Databases using delphi, paradox
and SQL in a server envirnment so I rarely look at the lower levels of
winders unless forced to. Though I've done stuff at the other extreme on
PCs in the DOS and QBasic4.5 as programmed controllers.
I want to re-port an old application, but want to use
OpenVMS instead. I
don't have a machine that is capable of running VMS (nor do I have the space
for one), so an emulator will suffice....
If you can find a uVAX3100 (microvax3100, Vaxserver3100) that would do
and they are small 18x4x16 and 180W power. Disks for those are 3.5"
SCSI-1 or II typically. VMS on a 3100 only needs 100mb for itself so a
1gb drive is plenty of room. VAX systems of the microVAX flavor are
fairly small though some of the bigger members can be a bit large. The
smallest would be the uVAX2000 at about a 1/2 cuFT most of the 3100
series are desktop sized and the 6000 series are generally rack sized
bigger systems. Stay away from the Qbus vaxen (MicrovaxII, 3500) as
that will definately get you into the hardware realm though they are
good machines. Also Qbus machines are more likely to have older disk
interfaces (MFM drives) or other DEC unique disk. The Qbus machines
are also likely to be missing key items like network card or enough
memory. As to memory, anything with at least 16mb of ram will be OK
although more is better. You need at least 12mb to run VMS decently
starting with V5.x and 16mb with V7.x.
My collection of VAXen include a pair of microVAXIIs and 3 MicroVAX200
and 8 3100s (mix of /m10s and /M76s).
Allison
11 a.m.
Hi,
This is my first venture (or an attempt to venture) into the world of VMS.
I have a couple of questions:
1) Is there an emulator, etc to run OpenVMS on and where can I get it as
well as OpenVMS?
The one that immediately springs to mind is CHARON-VAX:
http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/index.htm
I'm not sure if they do a hobbyist version though.
2) Does OpenVMS support the notion of shared libraries
(DLL to you windoze
users)...
VMS has had shared libraries for ever I think. They're EXEs that contain
your subroutines etc and they're linked in a different way to apps. After
that though you just add them into your link statement. You can also
INSTALL them which makes them memory resident and multi-user so every app
that needs access to them gets the memory copy rather than having to drag
its own copy off disk every time.
Surely you can get your hands on a small VAX like a 4000-60 or 3100 series
machine, then you can get the hobbyist VMS licenses and you're off.
--
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www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UKs biggest home computer collection?
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