8 Oct
2003
8 Oct
'03
8:35 a.m.
Is there actually a demand for these kinds of things anyway? I happen to
work at the company known as the former CDC and we have a lot of this stuff
around...in fact, we still support a lot of it. The Cyber 675 is still in
use!
Would this stuff be worthwhile trying to rescue from the 'scrap heap'? I
also have lots of CDC branded merchandise...
Joel
Message: 9
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:36:01 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl>
Subject: Re: anyone notice this gorgeous piece?
To: Jay West <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
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Jay writes:
Damn. I assumed Jay was referencing an ad for someone's wife
on ePay. What disappointment to only find a DCD drive on there.
Jay... your wording is starting to scare me... go out more often :)
Cheers,
Fred
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8 Oct
8 Oct
9:25 a.m.
Joel.E.Bradley(a)syntegra.com had uttereth on Wednesday 08 October 2003
12:35 pm:
Is there actually a demand for these kinds of things
anyway? I happen
to work at the company known as the former CDC and we have a lot of
this stuff around...in fact, we still support a lot of it. The Cyber
675 is still in use!
Would this stuff be worthwhile trying to rescue from the 'scrap heap'?
I also have lots of CDC branded merchandise...
Definately! Where are you located, and what kinds of things do you have
available (or soon-to-be available)?
Joel
Message: 9
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:36:01 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl>
Subject: Re: anyone notice this gorgeous piece?
To: Jay West <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0310081834480.13515-100000(a)vaxlab.pdp11.nl>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Jay writes:
Damn. I assumed Jay was referencing an ad for someone's wife
on ePay. What disappointment to only find a DCD drive on there.
Jay... your wording is starting to scare me... go out more often :)
Cheers,
Fred
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12:53 p.m.
I happen to work at the company known as the former
CDC...
Would this stuff be worthwhile trying to rescue from the 'scrap heap'?
Yeahaugh
I'd say that any complete functioning component
that weighs less than 140 pounds
or can be disnmantled in under an hour
into carryable components
is worth mentioning here.
John A.
140 pounds is the heaviest thing I've carried (metal).
It's not clear if a maleable thing would be easier
to carry, with its movable center of gravity.
I need a test subject, preferrably female.
2 p.m.
John A.
140 pounds is the heaviest thing I've carried (metal).
It's not clear if a maleable thing would be easier
^^^^^
I daren't ask whether you meant "malleable".
;-)
to carry, with its movable center of gravity.
I need a test subject, preferrably female.
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6:28 p.m.
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, John Allain wrote:
140 pounds is the heaviest thing I've carried
(metal).
It's not clear if a maleable thing would be easier
to carry, with its movable center of gravity.
I need a test subject, preferrably female.
It's really easy when you're carrying her to the bedroom.
OH MY GAWD! WHAT AM I SAYING?
:)
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7:36 p.m.
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, John Allain wrote:
Ok , you leave her there. I'll carry her to the bedroom. :)
140 pounds is the heaviest thing I've carried
(metal).
It's not clear if a maleable thing would be easier
to carry, with its movable center of gravity.
I need a test subject, preferrably female.
It's really easy when you're carrying her to the bedroom.
OH MY GAWD! WHAT AM I SAYING?
:)
8:16 p.m.
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, ben franchuk wrote:
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Bedroom? Wheres your sense of adventure? ;)
-Toth
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, John Allain wrote:
Ok , you leave her there. I'll carry her to the bedroom. :) 140 pounds is the heaviest thing I've carried
(metal). It's not
clear if a maleable thing would be easier to carry, with its
movable center of gravity. I need a test subject, preferrably
female.
It's really easy when you're carrying her to the bedroom.
OH MY GAWD! WHAT AM I SAYING? 
9:29 p.m.
OH MY GAWD! WHAT AM I SAYING?
Ok , you leave her there. I'll carry her to the bedroom. :) 
9 Oct
9 Oct
6:38 a.m.
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Nico de Jong wrote:
From: "Fred N. van Kempen"
<waltje(a)pdp11.nl>
Yes, but "real programmers" like me :-) do IT bit by bit
My hard disk is 8 terrabytes baby!
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Bedroom?
Wheres your sense of adventure? ;)
"A Real Retroist(tm) does it... on top of a VAX 11/7x0 !" ..
8:14 a.m.
Bill Sudbrink wrote:
"A Real Retroist(tm) does it... on top of a VAX 11/7x0 !" ..
I've always wondered if anyone has "done it" on the couch/bench
around the classic column styled Cray.
Your free to buy one for the bedroom if you like. I don't think so
myself since the hardware was running 24/7 and somebody was always
around. I'll tell you what, you keep the vax , I'll take the cute punch
card girls in the mini-skirts.
PS ... you do have a bedroom with a bed, or do you just sleep under
the big iron?
Also I have been spending my meager income on hi-fi big iron,
a vintage vacuum tube amp at the moment, so I don't expect to
be getting a vintage computer in my life. I'd like to build
a vintage style machine but I still need to design the sucker.
Modern machines may be 'user friendly' but not friendly to the
users like the small 12 and 16 bit machines of days gone by.
Ben.
Ok , you leave
her there. I'll carry her to the bedroom. :)
Bedroom? Wheres your sense of adventure? ;) 
9:25 a.m.
On 2003.10.09 08:29 Fred N. van Kempen wrote:
"A Real Retroist(tm) does it... on top of a VAX
11/7x0 !" ..
"A Real Retroist(tm) does it... _with_ a VAX 11/7x0 !"
..
I can supply p0rn pix of someone (not me!) f... a MicroVAX. ;-)
I think some of these pix are online on unixsex.org too.
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10 Oct
10 Oct
12:20 a.m.
On Thursday 09 Oct 2003 7:29 am, Fred N. van Kempen wrote:
Bedroom? Wheres your sense of adventure? ;)
"A Real Retroist(tm) does it... on top of a VAX 11/7x0 !" ..
Ah, memories... Was a BA215 though ;)
alex/melt
OH MY GAWD!
WHAT AM I SAYING?
Ok , you leave her there. I'll carry her to the bedroom. :) 
13 Oct
13 Oct
1:10 p.m.
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2:23 p.m.
Eric Smith wrote:
Tony wrote:
You must have a BIG bedroom then. :)
Note I would not mind playing with a modern FPGA version of the
10 providing about a 200% speed increase, and still have the
Classic computer look and still be REPAIRABLE 40 years from now.
What I don't like is the feel of the software emulators.
Ben.
A _REAL_ Retroist(tm) has a VAX 11/7x0 in the
bedroom :-)
Um, no, a PDP-10. Who wants those newfangled VAX things? If
it doesn't have 36 bits, you're not playing with a full DEC.
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5:45 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
"A Real Retroist(tm) does it... on top of a VAX 11/7x0 !" ..
A _REAL_ Retroist(tm) has a VAX 11/7x0 in the bedroom :-)
Heh. There's a PDP11V03-L in its original low-rise cabinet, with
RX02, that's a serious candidate for becoming my nightstand.
It's the right height, and it's just so *cute*!
Doc
ObCCmp: I'm looking for a QBus RX02 controller that'll LL-format disks.
I hear they exist, and right now I have about 30 pounds of very
interesting 8" placemats.
Ok , you leave
her there. I'll carry her to the bedroom. :)
Bedroom? Wheres your sense of adventure? ;) 
8:26 p.m.
"Doc Shipley" <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> wrote:
ObCCmp: I'm looking for a QBus RX02 controller
that'll LL-format disks.
I hear they exist, and right now I have about 30 pounds of very
interesting 8" placemats.
There isn't an RX02 controller that can do that, because the RX02 drive
box itself can't do it. But if you want to hook up generic 8-inch floppy
drives with a Qbus controller that is software-compatible with the RXV21
and can format disks, I recommend the MXV21 or MXV22. A Google search
reveals that Keyways claims to have them in stock.
14 Oct
14 Oct
3:36 a.m.
Doc Shipley wrote:
ObCCmp: I'm looking for a QBus RX02 controller
that'll LL-format disks.
I hear they exist, and right now I have about 30 pounds of very
interesting 8" placemats.
Jerome Fine replies:
DEC never supported the ability to do an LLF on 8" floppy
media. Neither the RX01 nor the RX02 drives and their
controllers could do so.
HOWEVER, MOST 3rd party controllers and drives could
do so. In particular, the DSD 440 and the DSD 880 had an
8" RX02 compatible drive and could do an LLF (off-line)
on the floppy media. I presume that other systems that were
RX01 / RX02 compatible could do so as well.
I still have a number of the DSD 880 drives, but I am in
Toronto and they are VERY heavy! They have not been
powered on for a number of years, so I do not know their
current status!
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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2:09 p.m.
On Tuesday 14 October 2003 07:36, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
HOWEVER, MOST 3rd party controllers and drives could
do so. In particular, the DSD 440 and the DSD 880 had an
8" RX02 compatible drive and could do an LLF (off-line)
on the floppy media. I presume that other systems that were
RX01 / RX02 compatible could do so as well.
I've got a DSD880, does anyone know if there's a "HyperDiagnostic" pair
of
numbers I can use to format a floppy as an RX01/RX02?
Pat
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9:43 p.m.
On 2003.10.15 01:09 Patrick Finnegan wrote:
I've got a DSD880, does anyone know if there's
a "HyperDiagnostic"
pair of numbers I can use to format a floppy as an RX01/RX02?
I don't know if
this will help you, but:
I have a MXV21 QBus to SA800 RX02 emulating 8" floppy controller. (With
a 5.25" drive.) I use the folowing on a MicroVAX boot prompt to start a
format:
Single density
d/p/w 20001E78 9
d/p/w 20001E7A 92
Double density
d/p/w 20001E78 109
d/p/w 20001E7A 92
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2:46 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
If you want to keep the DEC drives and controller (and
I would), then the
easiest solution is to format the disks single-density (IBM 3740 format)
in, say. a CP/M machine, and then use the DEC RX02 to reformat them as
RX02 double-density disks. That's what I do, anyway.
Oh, great. Now I gotta go find a CP/M machine.
Oh, the humanity! ;)
Doc
9 Oct
9 Oct
6:37 a.m.
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Tothwolf wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, ben franchuk wrote:
You know, come to think of it, I haven't tried my VAX 8600 yet.
Hmmmm.....
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Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Bedroom? Wheres your sense of adventure? ;) On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, John Allain wrote:
Ok , you leave her there. I'll carry her to the bedroom. :) 140 pounds is the heaviest thing I've carried
(metal). It's not
clear if a maleable thing would be easier to carry, with its
movable center of gravity. I need a test subject, preferrably
female.
It's really easy when you're carrying her to the bedroom.
OH MY GAWD! WHAT AM I SAYING?
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