12 May
2011
12 May
'11
2:59 p.m.
My latin isn't that good. I only know a handful of short
well-known
phrases/sayings:
Canem canem edit
Carp?
deum
Carp? noctum
et cetera
mea culpa
Lame I
know. Does anyone know of any good books for learning
latin?
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
-----
Original Message -----
From: "David Griffith" <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent:
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 6:51 AM
Subject: latin stuff
Si
des purgamentum purgamentum accipietis
Noli turbare cuium simia
virgas tonitrui
Si duo sunt in una camera turpis vento facit,
qui sciunt et feci
--
David Griffith
dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
A:
Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is
top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the
most annoying thing in e-mail?
15 May
15 May
12:27 p.m.
From: Andrew Burton
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:59 PM
Does anyone know of any good books for learning latin?
I'm fond of Moreland & Fleischer, _Latin: An Intensive Course_, for
starters. Beyond that, you can get good practice with Dunlop's _Short
Latin Stories_ and Groton & May's _Thirty-Eight Latin Stories_, then
Hammond and Amory's _Aeneas to Augustus: A Beginning Latin Reader for
College Students_ to get an idea of what you'd really like to read.
Personally, I like Leonard and Smith's edition of _De rerum natura_,
and the Pharr edition of the _Aeneid_ is good for beginners. Then you
get into the long stuff, Cicero's law pleadings and the Catilinarians,
Caesar's self-promotion, Catullus' wonderful dirty poetry, and the
whole of Latinity.
"But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong." --Dennis Miller
(I didn't like Latin for a very long time, but then I learned to read
it for real in the UC Berkeley summer intensive course prior to a
return to grad school. Greek has more interesting nooks and crannies
for the beginning linguist, or so I thought. That class got me over
that.)
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Server Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
mailto:RichA at vulcan.com
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
5:03 p.m.
On Sun, 15 May 2011, Rich Alderson wrote:
Personally, I like Leonard and Smith's edition of
_De rerum natura_,
and the Pharr edition of the _Aeneid_ is good for beginners. Then you
get into the long stuff, Cicero's law pleadings and the Catilinarians,
Caesar's self-promotion, Catullus' wonderful dirty poetry, and the
whole of Latinity.
If you're really nutty, you can read the Latin versions of the Harry
Potter series.
--
David Griffith
dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
5:32 p.m.
On 15 May 2011 at 17:03, David Griffith wrote:
If you're really nutty, you can read the Latin
versions of the Harry
Potter series.
Or catch your news on YLE (Finnish) Radio 1:
http://yle.fi/radio1/tiede/nuntii_latini/
Personally, Finnish seems to be much more of a mystery to me than
Latin...
Ave atque vale,
Chuck
16 May
16 May
12:14 p.m.
From: Chuck Guzis
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:33 PM
Si vales, valeo.
Personally, Finnish seems to be much more of a mystery
to me than
Latin...
Not surprising, given that it is a member of an entirely different family,
Uralic, which is not demonstrably related at a time depth of less than
10,000 years before the present to the Indo-European family (of which Latin
is a member).
20 years ago I was willing to entertain the Nostratic hypothesis, which
posits a familial relationship among Indo-European, Uralic, Altaic[1],
Kartvelian[2], Dravidian[3], and possibly Etruscan, but the efforts of three
very talented linguists to demonstrate such a relationship give rise to
three massively conflicting reconstructions, so that the only conclusion to
be reached is "not provable." I no longer consider it a viable area in which
to work.
Ave atque vale,
Chuck
Te videbimus. Scribe si laborem obtinas.
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Server Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
mailto:RichA at vulcan.com
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
12:26 p.m.
From: Rich Alderson
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:15 PM
20 years ago I was willing to entertain the Nostratic
hypothesis, which
posits a familial relationship among Indo-European, Uralic, Altaic[1],
Kartvelian[2], Dravidian[3], and possibly Etruscan, but the efforts of three
very talented linguists to demonstrate such a relationship give rise to
three massively conflicting reconstructions, so that the only conclusion to
be reached is "not provable." I no longer consider it a viable area in which
to work.
Oops, forgot the footnotes:
[1] Turkish, Mongolian, and Manchu, possibly Japanese and Korean as well.
[2] Georgian, Mingrelian, Laz and Svan, spoken in the south Caucasus.
[3] Largely located in southern India. Major members are Tamil, Telugu,
Kannada, and Malayalam.
1:33 p.m.
I've often wondered about Google Language Tools and the methods used
to render meaningful translations.
Recently, I took the Lithuanian national anthem and cranked it into
Google Language and received a word-for-word match with a "poetic
translation found on the web. Unfortunately, there was very little
literal correspondence with the actual words.
On another forum, I spouted Horace's "brevis esse laboro, obscurus
fio" and someone reported that they'd fed it into Google Language
Tools Latin translator and received "To be brief, dance with ugly
women". I know that Google Latin is in the alpha stage, but it
brought not a chuckle, but a belly laugh.
Google's Latin tool:
http://translate.google.com/?sl=la&tl=en#la|en|
--Chuck
1:41 p.m.
My favorite Latin story: I used to work in a law firm as a legal assistant, and heard this
from one of the firm's partners who'd been in the courtroom on this particular
day. A lawyer was making his argument to the judge and concluded with, "And well,
your honor, res ipsa loquitur." The judge asked him what that phrase meant and the
lawyer, looking puzzled, started explaining the legal theory. The judge stopped him and
demanded for the literal translation of the Latin phrase. When the (young) lawyer
couldn't provide it, the judge threw him out of his courtroom.... -- Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:34 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: latin stuff
I've often wondered about Google Language Tools and the methods used
to render meaningful translations.
Recently, I took the Lithuanian national anthem and cranked it into
Google Language and received a word-for-word match with a "poetic
translation found on the web. Unfortunately, there was very little
literal correspondence with the actual words.
On another forum, I spouted Horace's "brevis esse laboro, obscurus
fio" and someone reported that they'd fed it into Google Language
Tools Latin translator and received "To be brief, dance with ugly
women". I know that Google Latin is in the alpha stage, but it
brought not a chuckle, but a belly laugh.
Google's Latin tool:
http://translate.google.com/?sl=la&tl=en#la|en|
--Chuck
1:44 p.m.
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Chuck Guzis wrote:
I've often wondered about Google Language Tools
and the methods used
to render meaningful translations.
Recently, I took the Lithuanian national anthem and cranked it into
Google Language and received a word-for-word match with a "poetic
translation found on the web. Unfortunately, there was very little
literal correspondence with the actual words.
On another forum, I spouted Horace's "brevis esse laboro, obscurus
fio" and someone reported that they'd fed it into Google Language
Tools Latin translator and received "To be brief, dance with ugly
women". I know that Google Latin is in the alpha stage, but it
brought not a chuckle, but a belly laugh.
Google's Latin tool:
http://translate.google.com/?sl=la&tl=en#la|en|
That's what I used to come up with the stuff I originally posted. I had
to be very careful when selecting words because it would too easily get
sidetracked into something nonsensical. Vulgarity is particularly
troublesome. For example, "I fart in your general direction" gets
translated into "Pedere in I generali instructione", which seems to be
just gibberish of something to do with giving orders to an officer's feet.
--
David Griffith
dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
2:26 p.m.
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On another forum, I spouted Horace's ?"brevis
esse laboro, obscurus
fio" and someone reported that they'd fed it into Google Language
Tools Latin translator and received "To be brief, dance with ugly
women". ?I know that Google Latin is in the alpha stage, but it
brought not a chuckle, but a belly laugh.
Yep. It still works. Good thing I knew it was coming or you'd owe
me a keyboard.
-ethan
2:58 p.m.
On 5/16/2011 3:26 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Chuck Guzis<cclist
at sydex.com> wrote:
English or Latin keyboard?
On another forum, I spouted Horace's
"brevis esse laboro, obscurus
fio" and someone reported that they'd fed it into Google Language
Tools Latin translator and received "To be brief, dance with ugly
women". I know that Google Latin is in the alpha stage, but it
brought not a chuckle, but a belly laugh.
Yep. It still works. Good thing I knew it was coming or you'd owe
me a keyboard.
-ethan
12:01 p.m.
From: David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:04 PM
On Sun, 15 May 2011, Rich Alderson wrote:
> Personally, I like Leonard and Smith's edition
of _De rerum natura_,
> and the Pharr edition of the _Aeneid_ is good for beginners. Then you
> get into the long stuff, Cicero's law pleadings and the Catilinarians,
> Caesar's self-promotion, Catullus' wonderful dirty poetry, and the
> whole of Latinity.
If you're really nutty, you can read the Latin
versions of the Harry
Potter series.
You had better be able to read Cicero and Caesar when you tackle those.
Besides the first two books in Latin (and the first in classical Greek),
I also have _Tela Charlottae_, _Winnie-ille-Pu_[1] and _Winnie-ille-Pu
Semper Ludet_,[2] and _Ferdinandus Taurum_. One of these days I'll pick
up _Alice in terra mirabile_ and _Alice per speculo_, and maybe some
Asterix or Tin-tin or Babar.
The people who do this kind of translation are serious scholars taking a
break from serious scholastics, and are only interested in doing things
they can be proud of--not unlike restoring a half-century old bit of
electronics to working condition...[3]
[1] "Qualis fabulas diliget?" "De se ipso, nam talis ursus est."
[2] Why it's not _Domus Quadrivio Pu_ I don't know.
[3] Some day I'll finish _Ille Hobbitus_.
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Server Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
mailto:RichA at vulcan.com
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
1:05 p.m.
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Rich Alderson wrote:
I also recently found Dr Seuss stuff translated into Latin. How about
Asterix in Gaelic?
--
David Griffith
dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
If you're
really nutty, you can read the Latin versions of the Harry
Potter series.
You had better be able to read Cicero and Caesar when you tackle those.
Besides the first two books in Latin (and the first in classical Greek),
I also have _Tela Charlottae_, _Winnie-ille-Pu_[1] and _Winnie-ille-Pu
Semper Ludet_,[2] and _Ferdinandus Taurum_. One of these days I'll pick
up _Alice in terra mirabile_ and _Alice per speculo_, and maybe some
Asterix or Tin-tin or Babar.
The people who do this kind of translation are serious scholars taking a
break from serious scholastics, and are only interested in doing things
they can be proud of--not unlike restoring a half-century old bit of
electronics to working condition...[3] 
2:34 p.m.
On Mon, 16 May 2011, David Griffith wrote:
I also recently found Dr Seuss stuff translated into
Latin. How about
Asterix in Gaelic?
Yes, but is there a translation of Knuth, K&R, or McCracken
("Guide to FORTRAN Programming") in Latin?
(I used to have a copy of McCracken in Spanish. When a cow-
orker needed to learn Spanish, it was a perfect tool.)
Back in the good old days, when students knew languages, I
used to start my microcomputer operating systems class with
"DOS ex omnes est divisa in partes tres"
Nowadays, nobody understands, and want to know,
"what do I click on?", rather than "how does it work?"
I would be willing to learn Greek just to read whatever
Diogenes wrote. But, alas, NOTHING seems to have survived,
except for anecdotes that have been mistranslated and
redone by people with agendas. (e.g. giving Plato a
plucked chicken)
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
3:04 p.m.
From: Fred Cisin
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:34 PM
On Mon, 16 May 2011, David Griffith wrote:
> I also recently found Dr Seuss stuff translated
into Latin. How about
> Asterix in Gaelic?
I don't like Geisel's stuff, probably due to my sisters' over-reading of
it, so I'd never be tempted.
Yes, but is there a translation of Knuth, K&R, or
McCracken
("Guide to FORTRAN Programming") in Latin?
(I used to have a copy of McCracken in Spanish. When a cow-
orker needed to learn Spanish, it was a perfect tool.)
Probably not, but it could be done if someone felt the urge.
Well, maybe not Knuth.
Back in the good old days, when students knew
languages, I
used to start my microcomputer operating systems class with
"DOS ex omnes est divisa in partes tres"
Nowadays, nobody understands, and want to know,
"what do I click on?", rather than "how does it work?"
ITYM "DOS est omnis divisa in partes tres." We'll assume that DOS is
animate; were it neuter, make it "DOS est omne divisum in partes tres."
I would be willing to learn Greek just to read
whatever
Diogenes wrote. But, alas, NOTHING seems to have survived,
except for anecdotes that have been mistranslated and
redone by people with agendas. (e.g. giving Plato a
plucked chicken)
It's unlikely that Diogenes actually wrote anything. Like Socrates or
Herakleitos, he would simply have been in the habit of lecturing his
followers, and dropping the occasional _epos kalos_ ("bon mot").
As for "when students knew languages", it seems that Latin is beginning
to make a comeback in parts of the US education system.
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Server Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
mailto:RichA at vulcan.com
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
3:25 p.m.
Rich Alderson [RichA at vulcan.com] wrote:
ITYM "DOS est omnis divisa in partes tres."
We'll assume
that DOS is animate; were it neuter, make it "DOS est omne divisum in
partes tres."
Surely DOS is as animated as Gaul? Possibly more so (even if restricted
to CGA graphics ...)
Antonio
arcarlini at iee.org
4:08 p.m.
> Yes, but is there a translation of Knuth,
K&R, or McCracken
> ("Guide to FORTRAN Programming") in Latin?
> (I used to have a copy of McCracken in Spanish. When a cow-
> orker needed to learn Spanish, it was a perfect tool.)
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Rich Alderson wrote:
Probably not, but it could be done if someone felt the
urge.
Well, maybe not Knuth.
Even with a finite number of monkeys,
it could probably be done before he gets his next volume out.
ITYM "DOS est omnis divisa in partes tres."
You are absolutely correct. I could try to make an excuse that it's been
10 years since I taught that class, and all quotes that i used were
written on the outline that I worked from. But, the reality is, that with
insufficiently frequent refresh, . . .
I would be
willing to learn Greek just to read whatever
Diogenes wrote. But, alas, NOTHING seems to have survived,
except for anecdotes that have been mistranslated and
redone by people with agendas. (e.g. giving Plato a
plucked chicken)
It's unlikely that Diogenes actually wrote anything. Like
Socrates or
Herakleitos, he would simply have been in the habit of lecturing his
followers, and dropping the occasional _epos kalos_ ("bon mot"). As for "when students knew languages", it
seems that Latin is beginning
to make a comeback in parts of the US education system.
Would 'twere so!
Due to scholarship?, or due to religious domination of the educational
system?
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
6:18 p.m.
Probably not,
but it could be done if someone felt the urge.
Well, maybe not Knuth.
Even with a finite number of monkeys,
it could probably be done before he gets his next volume out.
7:05 p.m.
>> Probably not, but it could be done if someone
felt the urge.
>> Well, maybe not Knuth.
> Even with a finite number of monkeys,
> it could probably be done before he gets his next volume out.
On Mon, 16 May
2011 blstuart at bellsouth.net wrote:
Vol 4A is out already. Not sure how long 4B will be,
but
I wouldn't be surprised to see it in 2 to 3 years.
I would.
Would his "next volume" be #4B, or #5?
Notice the length of time between first release of #3 ("Sorting and
Searching") and PART of #4. Only slightly longer than it takes me to READ
it! (His works have the highest information density of anything that I've
ever read)
It would be wonderful if he were to live long enough to finish the series!
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
8:16 p.m.
Would his "next volume" be #4B, or #5?
Notice the length of time between first release of #3 ("Sorting and
Searching") and PART of #4. Only slightly longer than it takes me to READ
it! (His works have the highest information density of anything that I've
ever read)
It would be wonderful if he were to live long enough to finish the series!
His plan for the last several years has been to finish 4A, 4B, 4C, and 5,
then to do new editions of 1-3 using MMIX and adding new material
that has come along since the last editions. Then he plans to do a
condensed edition of 1-5. Finally, if he lives that long and there's
something to say, he'll work on 6 and 7.
The time between 3 and 4A was certainly long, even figuring on 10
years or so for TeX. But even though no new TAOCP material appeared
until about 7 years ago, he was writing other stuff. Given that he's
got enough of the Ch 7 material together that he's got one volume
through the publication process, there's a good chance the tme between
4A. 4B, and 4C will be more like the time between the first editions
of 1, 2, and 3 than that between 3 and 4A.
BLS
4:38 p.m.
On 5/16/11 6:04 PM, "Rich Alderson" <RichA at vulcan.com> wrote:
As for "when students knew languages", it
seems that Latin is beginning
to make a comeback in parts of the US education system.
Interesting that you say that. My daughter took Latin last year (5th Grade)
and now takes "Latin at Lunch" in 6th Grade.
Not to get too OT, but our district (Syosset CSD in New York) starts
language in kindergarten and each year of grammar school exposes the kids to
a different language (Chinese, Russian, Spanish, French, Italian and Latin).
Rich
--
Rich Cini
Collector of Classic Computers
Build Master and lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator
http://www.altair32.com
http://www.classiccmp.org/cini
4:53 p.m.
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Richard Cini wrote:
Not to get too OT, but our district (Syosset CSD in
New York) starts
language in kindergarten and each year of grammar school exposes the kids to
a different language (Chinese, Russian, Spanish, French, Italian and Latin).
WOW!
That is wonderful! I am impressed.
Add in FORTRAN, COBOL, APL, C, Perl, Python, etc. and we will be back
ON-topic!
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
5:07 p.m.
On 5/16/11 7:53 PM, "Fred Cisin" <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Richard Cini wrote:
Ok, point well taken.
To bring language learning back on-topic to computers, they learn no
programming languages at all, even BASIC, although one of the elective
courses in high school is Web programming and design. Still, only an
elective and not required.
Rich
--
Rich Cini
Collector of Classic Computers
Build Master and lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator
http://www.altair32.com
http://www.classiccmp.org/cini
Not to get too OT, but our district (Syosset CSD
in New York) starts
language in kindergarten and each year of grammar school exposes the kids to
a different language (Chinese, Russian, Spanish, French, Italian and Latin).
WOW!
That is wonderful! I am impressed.
Add in FORTRAN, COBOL, APL, C, Perl, Python, etc. and we will be back
ON-topic!
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com 
5:04 p.m.
Rich Alderson wrote:
From: Fred Cisin
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:34 PM
On Mon, 16 May 2011, David Griffith wrote:
My daughter's Catholic high school is the last school in our county to have
Latin as a language and I fear it may not be around next year when my son
starts high school. They are having problems finding a teacher they can
afford. Up until a few years ago several of the public schools had it and
they had a competition between the schools.
Mark
> I also recently found Dr Seuss stuff
translated into Latin. How about
> Asterix in Gaelic?
I don't like Geisel's stuff, probably due to my sisters' over-reading of
it, so I'd never be tempted.
Yes, but is there a translation of Knuth,
K&R, or McCracken
("Guide to FORTRAN Programming") in Latin?
(I used to have a copy of McCracken in Spanish. When a cow-
orker needed to learn Spanish, it was a perfect tool.)
Probably not, but it could be done if someone felt the urge.
Well, maybe not Knuth.
Back in the good old days, when students knew
languages, I
used to start my microcomputer operating systems class with
"DOS ex omnes est divisa in partes tres"
Nowadays, nobody understands, and want to know,
"what do I click on?", rather than "how does it work?"
ITYM "DOS est omnis divisa in partes tres." We'll assume that DOS is
animate; were it neuter, make it "DOS est omne divisum in partes tres."
I would be willing to learn Greek just to read
whatever
Diogenes wrote. But, alas, NOTHING seems to have survived,
except for anecdotes that have been mistranslated and
redone by people with agendas. (e.g. giving Plato a
plucked chicken)
It's unlikely that Diogenes actually wrote anything. Like Socrates or
Herakleitos, he would simply have been in the habit of lecturing his
followers, and dropping the occasional _epos kalos_ ("bon mot").
As for "when students knew languages", it seems that Latin is beginning
to make a comeback in parts of the US education system.
5:11 p.m.
David Griffith wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Rich Alderson wrote:
I also recently found Dr Seuss stuff translated into Latin. How about
Asterix in Gaelic?
My daughter has several books including the Cat in the Hat and Winnie the
Pooh in Latin. There is also a Latin version of wikipedia
http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagina_prima I don't think they have any
classic computer information on it though.
Mark
If
you're really nutty, you can read the Latin versions of the Harry
Potter series.
You had better be able to read Cicero and Caesar when you tackle those.
Besides the first two books in Latin (and the first in classical Greek),
I also have _Tela Charlottae_, _Winnie-ille-Pu_[1] and _Winnie-ille-Pu
Semper Ludet_,[2] and _Ferdinandus Taurum_. One of these days I'll pick
up _Alice in terra mirabile_ and _Alice per speculo_, and maybe some
Asterix or Tin-tin or Babar.
The people who do this kind of translation are serious scholars taking a
break from serious scholastics, and are only interested in doing things
they can be proud of--not unlike restoring a half-century old bit of
electronics to working condition...[3]
5:21 p.m.
On Mon, 16 May 2011, madodel wrote:
My daughter has several books including the Cat in the
Hat and Winnie the
Pooh in Latin. There is also a Latin version of wikipedia
http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagina_prima I don't think they have any
classic computer information on it though.
The original documentation and technical manuals for the Antikytheran
device were probably in Greek.
17 May
17 May
8:09 a.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2011, madodel wrote:
IIRC, the documentation (at least the owner's manual) was printed ON
the Antikytheran device, so that should be easily determined....
Doc
My daughter has several books including the Cat
in the Hat and Winnie the
Pooh in Latin. There is also a Latin version of wikipedia
http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagina_prima I don't think they have any
classic computer information on it though.
The original documentation and technical manuals for the Antikytheran
device were probably in Greek.
3:15 p.m.
> The original documentation and technical manuals
for the Antikytheran
> device were probably in Greek.
On Tue, 17 May 2011, Doc wrote:
IIRC, the documentation (at least the owner's
manual) was printed ON
the Antikytheran device, so that should be easily determined....
But, in a tradition that still lives, the documentation provided was
insufficient to even identify what the hardware did until it was X-ray'd
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
16 May
16 May
1:18 p.m.
Andrew,
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:59:04PM +0100, Andrew Burton wrote:
Does anyone know of any good books for learning latin?
I'm currently participating in an online study group that's using An
Easy Method for Beginners in Latin by Albert Harkness as a text. The
book is available as a PDF from Archive.org. There are usually a
number of beginner, and advanced, study groups under way or forming on
the LatinStudy mailing list. Most beginner groups on that list use
Wheelock's, but a few use other texts. Info on the LatinStudy mailing
list can be found at:
http://www.quasillum.com/study/latinstudy.php
--
Kevin
http://www.RawFedDogs.net
http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
Bruceville, TX
What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
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