Boy, we're way off topic here. First off, most ABS will lock up if all four wheels slip. How's it to know that you haven't stopped? No variety of braking is going to help you on ice, only tires (e.g. Bridgestone Blizzak) help there. Secondly, ABS is for dry or wet roads. It actually increases stopping distance in snow and gravel, because on those surfaces it is more advantageous to lock up the wheels and pile up material in front of each tire. Kai -----Original Message----- From: Buck Savage [mailto:hhacker@home.com] Sent: Monday, April 05, 1999 3:20 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: ABS - or is it Pure BS unless ABS - American Bull Shi... I have noted one difficulty with ABS, and that is its failure to operate on snow and ice. Since I live in Southern California, I do not get that much snow but, in any quick application of my Mustang's breaks, on snow covered roads, they always seem to lock up. Well, the pumping action occurs but, at each application of the pump, I notice wheel lock-up. There is no stopping. William R. Buckley