12 Apr
2007
12 Apr
'07
1:56 p.m.
Pete writes:
GCC runs OK on SGIs, provided that you have a version that coexists
with the version of IRIX that you're running (later (3.2+) versions
don't like pre-5 IRIXes. GCC will likely be quite unsatisfactory,
though, because the optimization on MIPS machines is not very good, and
especially bad with 2.x versions. Pre 3.4 versions don't play nicely
with MIPSpro/MIPSCC object code, either.
SPARC is better, indeed for C++ or ANSI C on SunOS4 you will probably
have to use gcc, since Sun's ANSI and C++ compilers are both hard to
come by and nodelocked.
POWER/PowerPC is probably the best of the RISCs as far as GCC support
goes. Apple's adoption of gcc for System 10 led to a number of
improvements in the code generator for PPC.
FBOFW, modern
"free" *nix ports tend to use gcc, and gcc is
such a resource hog for anything smaller than a VAX. Even on
a VAX it's colossaly slow.
Augh....any idea how it fares on, say, Sun or SGI machines? 
14 Apr
14 Apr
5:25 p.m.
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Scott Quinn wrote:
Pete writes:
GCC runs OK on SGIs, provided that you have a version that coexists with the
version of IRIX that you're running (later (3.2+) versions don't like pre-5
IRIXes. GCC will likely be quite unsatisfactory, though, because the
optimization on MIPS machines is not very good, and especially bad with 2.x
versions. Pre 3.4 versions don't play nicely with MIPSpro/MIPSCC object code,
either.
SPARC is better, indeed for C++ or ANSI C on SunOS4 you will probably have to
use gcc, since Sun's ANSI and C++ compilers are both hard to come by and
nodelocked.
Are you talking about the SUNWspro tools? Those are available for free
download from Sun. I think they call it Studio 11, or something like
that.
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FBOFW,
modern "free" *nix ports tend to use gcc, and gcc is
such a resource hog for anything smaller than a VAX. Even on
a VAX it's colossaly slow.
Augh....any idea how it fares on, say, Sun or SGI machines? 
8:20 p.m.
Yeah... that's good for Solaris 9 and stuff... try to find a copy for SunOS4
on a Sparcstation2.
The problem is I don't know if the new Sun Studio tools would be any good on
the old Classic boxes.
I tend to think not.
Bill
On 4/14/07, Steven N. Hirsch <hirsch at gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Scott Quinn wrote:
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Pete writes:
GCC runs OK on SGIs, provided that you have a version that coexists with
the
FBOFW,
modern "free" *nix ports tend to use gcc, and gcc is
such a resource hog for anything smaller than a VAX. Even on
a VAX it's colossaly slow.
Augh....any idea how it fares on, say, Sun or SGI machines? version of IRIX that you're running (later
(3.2+) versions don't like
pre-5
IRIXes. GCC will likely be quite unsatisfactory,
though, because the
optimization on MIPS machines is not very good, and especially bad with
2.x
versions. Pre 3.4 versions don't play nicely
with MIPSpro/MIPSCC object
code,
either.
SPARC is better, indeed for C++ or ANSI C on SunOS4 you will probably
have to
use gcc, since Sun's ANSI and C++ compilers
are both hard to come by and
nodelocked.
Are you talking about the SUNWspro tools? Those are available for free
download from Sun. I think they call it Studio 11, or something like
that.
--
8:47 p.m.
On Apr 14, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
This is correct...it has been free and non-nodelocked for some
time now. The current release of Sun Studio is 11, and it's
available Linux on x86, and for Solaris on both SPARC and x86. It's
a fantastic compiler suite...it's all I use for my development.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
SPARC is
better, indeed for C++ or ANSI C on SunOS4 you will
probably have to use gcc, since Sun's ANSI and C++ compilers are
both hard to come by and nodelocked.
Are you talking about the SUNWspro tools? Those are available for
free download from Sun. I think they call it Studio 11, or
something like that.
15 Apr
15 Apr
9:15 a.m.
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dave McGuire wrote:
On Apr 14, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
This is correct...it has been free and non-nodelocked for some time now.
The current release of Sun Studio is 11, and it's available Linux on x86, and
for Solaris on both SPARC and x86. It's a fantastic compiler suite...it's
all I use for my development.
A _Linux_ version? That I was unaware of. Did they implement GNU
compiler extensions like Intel have?
Steve
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SPARC is
better, indeed for C++ or ANSI C on SunOS4 you will probably have
to use gcc, since Sun's ANSI and C++ compilers are both hard to come by
and nodelocked.
Are you talking about the SUNWspro tools? Those are available for free
download from Sun. I think they call it Studio 11, or something like that.
11:29 a.m.
On Apr 15, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
This is correct...it has been free and non-nodelocked for some
time now. The current release of Sun Studio is 11, and it's
available Linux on x86, and for Solaris on both SPARC and x86.
It's a fantastic compiler suite...it's all I use for my development.
A _Linux_ version? That I was unaware of.
Yup...I don't know when they released it, but I think it was
sometime last summer.
SPARC is
better, indeed for C++ or ANSI C on SunOS4 you will
probably have to use gcc, since Sun's ANSI and C++ compilers are
both hard to come by and nodelocked.
Are you talking about the SUNWspro tools?
Those are available
for free download from Sun. I think they call it Studio 11, or
something like that. Did they implement GNU compiler extensions like
Intel have?
I doubt it, and I sure hope not. Rampant, undisciplined use of
the GCC "extensions" cause great gnashing of teeth for everyone not
running GCC under Linux on a PC.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
12:07 p.m.
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, Dave McGuire wrote:
Well, the release notes mention this as system requirement:
Compilers GCC 3.3 family on Sun Java Desktop System, Release 3 and
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 9
GCC 3.4 family on RedHat Enterprise Linux 4
(gcc compiler and g++ compiler only, g77 compiler is not supported)
And the introduction says:
Sun Studio 11 software provides a comprehensive, productive environment
for developing applications using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) for
the Linux operating system.
So Sun Studio for Linux is just a crappy Java based IDE for GCC.
Christian
PS:
I think this thread has now really become off topic...
Did they
implement GNU compiler extensions like Intel have?
I doubt it, and I sure hope
not. Rampant, undisciplined use of the GCC
"extensions" cause great gnashing of teeth for everyone not running GCC under
Linux on a PC.
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