DejaNews has been basically useless to me since they re-hosted everything, leaving out the USENET traffic pre-May 1999. What really sucks about that, once upon a time, many sites would keep archives of old USENET news traffic, usually the ones that had a lot of following at that site, or, groups which may have originated there. But when DejaNews started up, many of my favorite newsgroups lost their previous archival home, stopped archiving the feed, and just let DejaNews handle it. At first, that seemed pretty cool, but now... Now, an unimagineable amount of message traffic, much of it having serious potential research use, is gone. Meanwhile, people like Larry Ellison are trying to convince us that we don't need mass storage in our personal computers, Hell, that we don't even need personal computers at all. All we need is their web applicance. Yeah, right... -dq