15 Jun
2014
15 Jun
'14
2:35 p.m.
Hello all,
Just picked up a HP 1000e series, it came loaded with 640k in memory but
not a single I/O card.
I've been reading up on what might be a good set up for a terminal and
paper tape I/O (to hook an emulator to) but there seems to be a dizzying
number of serial and drive boards that I'm a bit lost on it all.
Any suggestions as to what might be a good set up to run a terminal and
have some way to push programs to it? I've been reading Terry Newton's site
and his hp IPL/OS looks very interesting, especially with the USB drive
emulator he's put together. Also, any sources for for boards other than
eBay?
Tom
15 Jun
15 Jun
3:31 p.m.
On 2014 Jun 15, at 11:35 AM, pdaguytom . wrote:
Hello all,
Just picked up a HP 1000e series, it came loaded with 640k in
memory but
not a single I/O card.
I've been reading up on what might be a good set up for a terminal and
paper tape I/O (to hook an emulator to) but there seems to be a
dizzying
number of serial and drive boards that I'm a bit lost on it all.
Any suggestions as to what might be a good set up to run a terminal
and
have some way to push programs to it? I've been reading Terry
Newton's site
and his hp IPL/OS looks very interesting, especially with the USB
drive
emulator he's put together. Also, any sources for for boards other
than
eBay?
The 12531D or C are a 'straightforward' choice for an RS-232/20mA
serial interface.
The 12597 is the basic 8-bit parallel interface if you had, for
example, a parallel paper-tape reader.
Long list of interfaces, categorised and with brief descriptions, if
you haven't run across it already:
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~hilpert/e/HP21xx/iointerfaces.html
My experience is with the earlier 2116C (I wrote a bootstrap
downloader & driver for the 12531D).
The 12531D was common for the earlier machines and (I believe) should
work with the 2113, but I don't know whether it may have been
superseded by a newer serial interface design for the console for
later models.
7:05 p.m.
Brent,
Thanks for the pointers.
Between your site, bit savers, and picking thru this mailing list's
archives, I'm slowly putting the pieces together (figuratively speaking
just yet)
Right now I thinking I'll try to use a 12531C/D for terminal. The computer
has what I think was/is a basic rom set with (I'm guessing) stub loaders
for a disk drive (washing machine size) and tape drive, I'll need to do
more research to see if the I/O boards for these drives would be a good
starting point to connect the USB drive emulator or just try another serial
card and interface with it. (and a bootloader to load HP IPL/OS).
Tom
On Jun 15, 2014 2:35 PM, "Brent Hilpert" <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
On 2014 Jun 15, at 11:35 AM, pdaguytom . wrote:
Hello all,
Just picked up a HP 1000e series, it came loaded with 640k in memory but
not a single I/O card.
I've been reading up on what might be a good set up for a terminal and
paper tape I/O (to hook an emulator to) but there seems to be a dizzying
number of serial and drive boards that I'm a bit lost on it all.
Any suggestions as to what might be a good set up to run a terminal and
have some way to push programs to it? I've been reading Terry Newton's
site
and his hp IPL/OS looks very interesting, especially with the USB drive
emulator he's put together. Also, any sources for for boards other than
eBay?
The 12531D or C are a 'straightforward' choice for an RS-232/20mA serial
interface.
The 12597 is the basic 8-bit parallel interface if you had, for example, a
parallel paper-tape reader.
Long list of interfaces, categorised and with brief descriptions, if you
haven't run across it already:
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~hilpert/e/HP21xx/iointerfaces.html
My experience is with the earlier 2116C (I wrote a bootstrap downloader &
driver for the 12531D).
The 12531D was common for the earlier machines and (I believe) should work
with the 2113, but I don't know whether it may have been superseded by a
newer serial interface design for the console for later models.
9:14 p.m.
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014, pdaguytom . wrote:
Right now I thinking I'll try to use a 12531C/D
for terminal. The computer
has what I think was/is a basic rom set with (I'm guessing) stub loaders
for a disk drive (washing machine size) and tape drive, I'll need to do
more research to see if the I/O boards for these drives would be a good
starting point to connect the USB drive emulator or just try another serial
card and interface with it. (and a bootloader to load HP IPL/OS).
On my 2109E (will work with a 2113E) I use a 12966A (BACI) for the
system console. I've used it with both physical terminals (2645A and
2745A), and the QCTerm emulator:
http://www.aics-research.com/qcterm/
I built my 2109E up so it can run RTE-6/VM.
http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/VCF-East2014/G_IMG_3355.jpg
Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/
16 Jun
16 Jun
2:54 p.m.
Tom,
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 at 18:05, pdaguytom wrote:
The computer has what I think was/is a basic rom set
with (I'm guessing)
stub loaders for a disk drive (washing machine size) and tape drive,
I'll need to do more research to see if the I/O boards for these drives
would be a good starting point to connect the USB drive emulator or
just try another serial card and interface with it. (and a bootloader to
load HP IPL/OS).
Presuming the standard set of front-plane cards (12897B Dual-Channel Port
Controller, 12892B Memory Protect, and 12731A Memory Expansion Module) are
present above the memory cards, then another alternative would be to run
the HP RTE operating system. That would require these I/O cards:
- 12539C Time Base Generator
- 12821A HP-IB Disc Interface
- 12966A BACI or 12531A/B/C/D TTY or 12880A CRT Interface
...plus a PC containing a GPIB card to function as the disc drive running
the HPDrive emulator available here:
http://www.hp9845.net/9845/projects/hpdrive/
RTE-IVB and RTE-6/VM are multi-user disc-based OSes. An assembler and
several language compilers that run on RTE are available as part of the HP
1000 Software Collection available on Bitsavers.
-- Dave
5:51 p.m.
Dave,
Yes, my unit came with the front cage basically full with the DCPC, Mem
Protect, MEM, and 640k HSM. the back cage was stripped to the point that
several grounding straps were ripped from the boards on removal. I've got
a 12531D board on the way, and will be doing more reading on interfacing
with the/a emulator.
Tom
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:54 PM, J. David Bryan <jdbryan at acm.org> wrote:
Tom,
On Sunday, June 15, 2014 at 18:05, pdaguytom wrote:
The computer has what I think was/is a basic rom
set with (I'm guessing)
stub loaders for a disk drive (washing machine size) and tape drive,
I'll need to do more research to see if the I/O boards for these drives
would be a good starting point to connect the USB drive emulator or
just try another serial card and interface with it. (and a bootloader to
load HP IPL/OS).
Presuming the standard set of front-plane cards (12897B Dual-Channel Port
Controller, 12892B Memory Protect, and 12731A Memory Expansion Module) are
present above the memory cards, then another alternative would be to run
the HP RTE operating system. That would require these I/O cards:
- 12539C Time Base Generator
- 12821A HP-IB Disc Interface
- 12966A BACI or 12531A/B/C/D TTY or 12880A CRT Interface
...plus a PC containing a GPIB card to function as the disc drive running
the HPDrive emulator available here:
http://www.hp9845.net/9845/projects/hpdrive/
RTE-IVB and RTE-6/VM are multi-user disc-based OSes. An assembler and
several language compilers that run on RTE are available as part of the HP
1000 Software Collection available on Bitsavers.
-- Dave
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