15 Jan
1999
15 Jan
'99
9:44 a.m.
<This is definitely off-topic (who was that said I was single-minded?) but
<for a fine example of bletcherousness, try the source to the pine mailer
<(here also known as pain, or Pain In Neck Email). Find the 70K source fil
that proves any tool is a hammer. I've written good code using BASIC but
for the most part the early BASICs were weak in string and file handling
so they were not the first choice for a lot of things. Also the early
BASICs didn't have local variables and recursive routines were a PITA
as a result. Add to that most were interpreted (slow) so fast IO was out
of the question. I forced me to go to PASCAL (via UCSD p-SYSTEM) and that
was a real eye opener as I started looking at the PASCAL code and writing
assembler to look like that. C was interesting as it was efficient for
machine level things but I still find it criptic. Along the way there was
also algol, PL/M(PL/i) and some stabs at FOCAL. Forth(and PostScript) was
amoung the stack languages and I like them for some things. There were the
hybrid basic C-basic, E-basic and S-basic, they offered some fo the features
of Pcascal and C in the familiar Basic form. But when I'm working with 8085
or Z80s assembler just usually happens.
Allison
15 Jan
15 Jan
4:35 p.m.
Allison J Parent wrote:
<This is definitely off-topic (who was that said I was single-minded?) but
<for a fine example of bletcherousness, try the source to the pine mailer
<(here also known as pain, or Pain In Neck Email). Find the 70K source fil
that proves any tool is a hammer. I've written good code using BASIC but
As my friend Lizard puts it, if the only tool you have is a hammer,
every problem looks like your thumb.
The only mail program I can use in terminal mode with my ISP is PINE.
I despise it, especially the fewkin editor, PICO, (sumbitch won't let
me use vi to edit messages). I'm scheduled to get a cablemodem
installed in three weeks, when _I_ start making those decisions (and
maybe get a decent newsfeed -- an even bigger gripe I've got with my
ISP). (Hell, even with Tandy Xenix 15+ years ago, I could set my
editor for mail's ~v command -- never had to, since vi was my
preferred editor then and now).
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16 Jan
16 Jan
7:08 a.m.
New subject: ISP mania -- can't change editor
The only mail program I can use in terminal mode with
my ISP is PINE.
I despise it, especially the fewkin editor, PICO, (sumbitch won't let
me use vi to edit messages). I'm scheduled to get a cablemodem
installed in three weeks, when _I_ start making those decisions (and
maybe get a decent newsfeed -- an even bigger gripe I've got with my
ISP). (Hell, even with Tandy Xenix 15+ years ago, I could set my
editor for mail's ~v command -- never had to, since vi was my
preferred editor then and now).
--
Geez... just create a pinerc with vi in it.
Hell, compile your own mail reader.
What's the shell account have in it. What architecture.
I'll compile you something and mail it to you.
Bill
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8:10 p.m.
New subject: ISP mania -- can't change editor
Bill Pechter wrote:
I've tried editing my pinerc repeatedly, it always seems to be reset
the next time I log in. Since I only use that method to read mail
when I telnet to my ISP from work, I'm not going to worry about it
much longer, since my cablemodem installation is scheduled for Feb 6.
After that I should be able to telnet to my Linux system and use
whatever I want.
--
Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/>
WARNING: The Attorney General has determined that Alcohol, Tobacco,
and Firearms can be hazardous to your health -- and get away with it.
The only mail program I can use in terminal mode
with my ISP is PINE.
I despise it, especially the fewkin editor, PICO, (sumbitch won't let
me use vi to edit messages). I'm scheduled to get a cablemodem
installed in three weeks, when _I_ start making those decisions (and
maybe get a decent newsfeed -- an even bigger gripe I've got with my
ISP). (Hell, even with Tandy Xenix 15+ years ago, I could set my
editor for mail's ~v command -- never had to, since vi was my
preferred editor then and now).
--
Geez... just create a pinerc with vi in it.
Hell, compile your own mail reader.
What's the shell account have in it. What architecture.
I'll compile you something and mail it to you.
17 Jan
17 Jan
12:21 a.m.
New subject: ISP mania -- can't change editor
Bill Pechter wrote:
>
> > The only mail program I can use in terminal mode with my ISP is PINE.
> > I despise it, especially the fewkin editor, PICO, (sumbitch won't let
> > me use vi to edit messages). I'm scheduled to get a cablemodem
> > installed in three weeks, when _I_ start making those decisions (and
> > maybe get a decent newsfeed -- an even bigger gripe I've got with my
> > ISP). (Hell, even with Tandy Xenix 15+ years ago, I could set my
> > editor for mail's ~v command -- never had to, since vi was my
> > preferred editor then and now).
I would just write a script or upload my own mail reader.
Right now I do all my stuff telnet-ed in to my home machine where I've got
elm.
The only editor I'd consider using besides vi is edt, or the perhaps more
classic jed's wordstar emulation.
Bill
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