3 Jan
2005
3 Jan
'05
10:58 p.m.
A while ago I asked if anyone on the list could help me get AutoCAD 12 for DOS.
Several people came through and I now have a copy. Thanks, everyone!
As expected though, it doesn't work and play nicely with Windows XP. I was
hoping that just running it through a command prompt window and giving that
giving the Win 95 compatibility attribute to the acad.exe file would make it
work. It didn't and I got a strange error message:
"Phar Lap err 74: Can't use -REALBREAK under this version of DPMI"
So I Google that and found a few threads like this one:
http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?threadID=314
Apparently it's just not possible to run Acad 12 in 'real' DOS in XP. I
already knew XP's prompt is nothing close to real DOS, but I was hoping to find
a way to trick the program, or a way to emulate DOS perhaps. Anyone have a
clever solution to this? (I do have a suitable second PC to install real DOS
on, but I'd rather not have to dedicate a whole system just to use one program.)
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3 Jan
3 Jan
11:51 p.m.
At 10:58 PM 1/3/2005, Computer Collector Newsletter wrote:
A while ago I asked if anyone on the list could help me
get AutoCAD 12 for DOS.
Several people came through and I now have a copy. Thanks, everyone!
Advertising your piracy in a public forum where
message threads are archived on a web site is a great
way to attract the attention of Autodesk. :-)
- John
4 Jan
4 Jan
12:29 a.m.
John Foust wrote:
At 10:58 PM 1/3/2005, Computer Collector Newsletter
wrote:
Your assuming his copy was made by someone other than Autodesk.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
A while ago I asked if anyone on the list could
help me get AutoCAD 12 for DOS.
Several people came through and I now have a copy. Thanks, everyone!
Advertising your piracy in a public forum where
message threads are archived on a web site is a great
way to attract the attention of Autodesk. :-)
- John 
1 a.m.
[Wanted
AutoCAD 13 for DOS. People came through, now have it.]
Advertising your piracy
[...]
1:17 a.m.
At 01:00 AM 1/4/2005, der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote:
I have no knowledge either way. But it does seem to me
that just
because person B doubts that person A knows it's pirated does not
necessarily mean that that person B has reason to think it's not.
My hints come from his mentioning that several people helped him with
"finding a copy", as well as my experience with the shark-like rapacity
of Autodesk's licensing requirements. Call me skeptical. It's not
like AutoCAD is a thirty-years-extinct product. It's alive and well.
You're supposed to buy it.
- John
1:32 a.m.
Version 12 for DOS was already becoming old when I first learned how to use it
in 1995. So where could I be expected to go out today and buy a licensed copy?
Besides, it's purely for my personal non-commercial use.
LOL, and right now it's NOT being used, because I can't get it to run on my
computer, thus I posted the OT message here. So Autodesk temporarily wins.
--- John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> wrote:
At 01:00 AM 1/4/2005, der Mouse
<mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote:
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I have no knowledge either way. But it does seem
to me that just
because person B doubts that person A knows it's pirated does not
necessarily mean that that person B has reason to think it's not.
My hints come from his mentioning that several people helped him with
"finding a copy", as well as my experience with the shark-like rapacity
of Autodesk's licensing requirements. Call me skeptical. It's not
like AutoCAD is a thirty-years-extinct product. It's alive and well.
You're supposed to buy it.
- John
1:41 a.m.
At 01:32 AM 1/4/2005, you wrote:
Version 12 for DOS was already becoming old when I
first learned how to use it
in 1995. So where could I be expected to go out today and buy a licensed copy?
Uhm, an Autodesk dealer? Or calling Autodesk to transfer and
register the one that you acquired?
Offhand, I would guess that Autodesk's policy on old versions
is the same as it is with Microsoft's operating systems:
buying today's version gives you a license to run an older version.
I am sure there are a few businesses out there still running
AutoCAD 12.
- John
2:04 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Foust" <jfoust(a)threedee.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: Slightly OT: DOS programs in Win XP
At 01:00 AM 1/4/2005, der Mouse
<mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote:
Good luck buying a new copy of AutoCAD 12 for DOS from them today. I am not
even sure what the license stated back then about selling the program to
another person legally.
I have no knowledge either way. But it does seem
to me that just
because person B doubts that person A knows it's pirated does not
necessarily mean that that person B has reason to think it's not.
My hints come from his mentioning that several people helped him with
"finding a copy", as well as my experience with the shark-like rapacity
of Autodesk's licensing requirements. Call me skeptical. It's not
like AutoCAD is a thirty-years-extinct product. It's alive and well.
You're supposed to buy it.
- John
6:40 a.m.
On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 03:04 -0500, Teo Zenios wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Foust" <jfoust(a)threedee.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: Slightly OT: DOS programs in Win XP
Aside: I thought autocad of that era required a hardware protection
dongle (as 3D Studio did) on the parallel port (Sentinel IIRC)? Maybe
I'm wrong on that...
There was a trick to getting 3D Studio 3 and 4 (both DOS apps) working
in a Windows NT DOS shell - afraid I know nothing of DOS support in more
recent versions of Windows but maybe some googling around the 3DS issue
will give some tips. I expect they'd be relevant to Autocad too
(certainly the Pharlap error someone mentioned rings bells)
(I think 3DS4 has to be in my top ten list of favourite software :)
At 01:00 AM 1/4/2005, der Mouse
<mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote:
Good luck buying a new copy of AutoCAD 12 for DOS from them today. I am not
even sure what the license stated back then about selling the program to
another person legally. I have no knowledge either way. But it does seem
to me that just
because person B doubts that person A knows it's pirated does not
necessarily mean that that person B has reason to think it's not.
My hints come from his mentioning that several people helped him with
"finding a copy", as well as my experience with the shark-like rapacity
of Autodesk's licensing requirements. Call me skeptical. It's not
like AutoCAD is a thirty-years-extinct product. It's alive and well.
You're supposed to buy it.
- John
10:51 a.m.
I found a copy of the book I was looking for at Barnes an Noble, and
then I bought it.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
John Foust wrote:
My hints come from his mentioning that several people
helped him with
"finding a copy", as well as my experience with the shark-like rapacity
of Autodesk's licensing requirements. Call me skeptical. It's not
like AutoCAD is a thirty-years-extinct product. It's alive and well.
You're supposed to buy it.
- John
1:26 a.m.
At 08:58 PM 1/3/05 -0800, you wrote:
A while ago I asked if anyone on the list could help me
get AutoCAD 12 for
DOS.
Several people came through and I now have a copy.
Thanks, everyone!
As expected though, it doesn't work and play nicely with Windows XP. I was
hoping that just running it through a command prompt window and giving that
giving the Win 95 compatibility attribute to the acad.exe file would make it
work. It didn't and I got a strange error message:
Have you tried Virtual PC or any of the other emulators? Most of the stuff
that I haven't been able to run in a Windows DOS box runs okay under DOS on
Virtual PC. The only real exception I've found is "Divide by Zero" and
other cache related problems.
12:32 a.m.
Just tried that, but it's only for XP Pro and 2000; I have XP Home Edition.
--- "Dr. Ido" <dr.ido(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote:
At 08:58 PM 1/3/05 -0800, you wrote:
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A while ago I asked if anyone on the list could
help me get AutoCAD 12 for
DOS.
Several people came through and I now have a
copy. Thanks, everyone!
As expected though, it doesn't work and play nicely with Windows XP. I was
hoping that just running it through a command prompt window and giving that
giving the Win 95 compatibility attribute to the acad.exe file would make it
work. It didn't and I got a strange error message:
Have you tried Virtual PC or any of the other emulators? Most of the stuff
that I haven't been able to run in a Windows DOS box runs okay under DOS on
Virtual PC. The only real exception I've found is "Divide by Zero" and
other cache related problems.
8:05 a.m.
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:58:35 -0800 (PST), Computer Collector Newsletter
<news(a)computercollector.com> wrote:
A while ago I asked if anyone on the list could help
me get AutoCAD 12 for DOS.
Several people came through and I now have a copy. Thanks, everyone!
As expected though, it doesn't work and play nicely with Windows XP. I was
hoping that just running it through a command prompt window and giving that
giving the Win 95 compatibility attribute to the acad.exe file would make it
work. It didn't and I got a strange error message:
"Phar Lap err 74: Can't use -REALBREAK under this version of DPMI"
So I Google that and found a few threads like this one:
http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?threadID=314
Apparently it's just not possible to run Acad 12 in 'real' DOS in XP. I
already knew XP's prompt is nothing close to real DOS, but I was hoping to find
a way to trick the program, or a way to emulate DOS perhaps. Anyone have a
clever solution to this? (I do have a suitable second PC to install real DOS
on, but I'd rather not have to dedicate a whole system just to use one program.)
=====
Tell your friends about the Computer Collector Newsletter!
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If you don't need to have windows running at the same time, get a copy
of freedos. Make a bootable cd with autocad on it.
Dan
12:18 p.m.
At 08:58 PM 1/3/05 -0800, you wrote:
A while ago I asked if anyone on the list could help me
get AutoCAD 12 for
DOS.
Several people came through and I now have a copy.
Thanks, everyone!
As expected though, it doesn't work and play nicely with Windows XP. I was
hoping that just running it through a command prompt window and giving that
giving the Win 95 compatibility attribute to the acad.exe file would make it
work. It didn't and I got a strange error message:
"Phar Lap err 74: Can't use -REALBREAK under this version of DPMI"
So I Google that and found a few threads like this one:
http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?threadID=314
Apparently it's just not possible to run Acad 12 in 'real' DOS in XP. I
already knew XP's prompt is nothing close to real DOS, but I was hoping to
find
a way to trick the program, or a way to emulate DOS
perhaps. Anyone have a
clever solution to this?
What about using Partition Magic or something similar to create a DOS or
Windows 3.11 partition and running Autocad from that?
Joe
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