10 Jun
2000
10 Jun
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7:26 a.m.
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From: Cameron Kaiser <ckaiser(a)oa.ptloma.edu>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: AppleTalk on the hoof
Date: Friday, June 09, 2000 11:13 PM
Yeah, I heard a rumour that Apple offered GS/OS there, but I don't have
any way of transferring the software (unless an Apple II meister out
there
would like to explain how ...) Can today's Macs
format ProDOS volumes
still?
If not, does anyone have GS/OS on disk, or willing to
make copies? I
would
gladly reimburse any inconvenience or we could come to
an equitable
understanding ... :-)
The software on Apple's FTP site is all in Mac format (.HQX or MacBin).
Modern Macs have a hard time creating GCR 800K disks (if they can at all).
Apple has gone to the cheaper MFM-only drives which handle the 1.44MB disks
well.
GS/OS v6 (the latest) needs more memory than just the 1MB Apple memory
card. If your IIgs only has about 1MB then do not bother with GS/OS. The
previous owner may have been using them as IIe's (ProDOS 8) as I do with my
IIgs.
I can copy the disks for you, but you will have to send me a box of DS/DD
disks as I do not wish to lose any of my little hoard.
By the way, about upgrading the SE/30. I want to
upgrade the thing to
System 7.x but NOT if it will mean I can no longer run AppleShare File
Server. Can I download a System 7 friendly ASFS anywhere? This poor
thing doesn't even have MultiFinder. I do know that Apple has System 7
for download, and I should hope a 68K version of ASFS ... ?
I *think* that ASFS v2 can only run on System 6 while ASFS v3 can run on
System 7. Both may take over the entire machine so using the Mac normally
may be impossible. Make a backup before experimenting!
My answer to the Apple II/Macintosh/MS-DOS data transfer problem is a
Macintosh LC II with an Apple IIe card running System 7.1 and the extension
that lets me read and write Apple II and MS-DOS disks. The extension
cannot handle Win9x long file names but I do no need that.
Paul R. Santa-Maria
Ann Arbor, Michigan USA
paulrsm(a)ameritech.net
10 Jun
10 Jun
11:01 a.m.
::The software on Apple's FTP site is all in Mac format (.HQX or MacBin).
::Modern Macs have a hard time creating GCR 800K disks (if they can at all).
::Apple has gone to the cheaper MFM-only drives which handle the 1.44MB disks
::well.
Think the SE/30 itself could handle it? If I downloaded the software to
another Mac and took the disks over to the SE/30, would it be able to do
the ProDOS transfer? It is old enough :-) I don't have DD disks here, but
I can get some.
::GS/OS v6 (the latest) needs more memory than just the 1MB Apple memory
::card. If your IIgs only has about 1MB then do not bother with GS/OS. The
::previous owner may have been using them as IIe's (ProDOS 8) as I do with my
::IIgs.
Can ProDOS speak AppleTalk? That's the main reason for my interest in
GS/OS. If ProDOS can access an AppleTalk server, then I don't really care
about GS/OS. How much memory does v6 require?
::I *think* that ASFS v2 can only run on System 6 while ASFS v3 can run on
::System 7. Both may take over the entire machine so using the Mac normally
::may be impossible. Make a backup before experimenting!
This is ASFS v2. Where can I get v3? (Yup, it does take over the whole
machine :-)
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11:40 a.m.
New subject: Mac SE computers (was Re: AppleTalk)
Speaking of MAC SEs, how common was it to find an SE with two floppy
drives and an internal hard drive? All of the information that I've
seen on the 'net shows that it's typical to have either two internal
floppies, or one internal floppy and one internal hard drive, but the
SE I bought a couple of weeks ago has both.
--
R. D. Davis
rdd(a)perqlogic.com
http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd
410-744-4900
12:09 p.m.
New subject: Mac SE computers (was Re: AppleTalk)
::Speaking of MAC SEs, how common was it to find an SE with two floppy
::drives and an internal hard drive? All of the information that I've
::seen on the 'net shows that it's typical to have either two internal
::floppies, or one internal floppy and one internal hard drive, but the
::SE I bought a couple of weeks ago has both.
For the record, this one here is one FD, one HD, and so have all the
SE/30s that I've seen.
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12 Jun
12 Jun
1:57 p.m.
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12:53 p.m.
New subject: Mac SE computers (was Re: AppleTalk)
Speaking of MAC SEs, how common was it to find an SE
with two floppy
drives and an internal hard drive? All of the information that I've
seen on the 'net shows that it's typical to have either two internal
floppies, or one internal floppy and one internal hard drive, but the
SE I bought a couple of weeks ago has both.
Pretty uncommon. The hd normally lives where the bottom floppy
would go, so if yours is dual floppy + hd, then I'd think that the hd
is third party and mounted towards the back of the unit under the
crt?
George
12 Jun
12 Jun
11:06 a.m.
New subject: Mac SE computers (was Re: AppleTalk)
They used to make internal hard drives for the Mac Plus that attached to the
upper frame, to the side of the CRT. Someone probably kludged one into a SE
case, not wanting to forego the all important second FD. I remember
launching MacPaint on my Fatmac and having to swap out system disks ten or
twelve times before I could doodle. Thank god for that external 400k drive,
who would need more space?
----- Original Message -----
From: "R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)smart.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 12:40 PM
Subject: Mac SE computers (was Re: AppleTalk)
Speaking of MAC SEs, how common was it to find an SE with two floppy
drives and an internal hard drive? All of the information that I've
seen on the 'net shows that it's typical to have either two internal
floppies, or one internal floppy and one internal hard drive, but the
SE I bought a couple of weeks ago has both.
--
R. D. Davis
rdd(a)perqlogic.com
http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd
410-744-4900
10 Jun
10 Jun
3:45 p.m.
::The software on Apple's FTP site is all in Mac
format (.HQX or MacBin).
::Modern Macs have a hard time creating GCR 800K disks (if they can at all).
::Apple has gone to the cheaper MFM-only drives which handle the 1.44MB disks
::well.
Think the SE/30 itself could handle it? If I downloaded the software to
another Mac and took the disks over to the SE/30, would it be able to do
the ProDOS transfer? It is old enough :-) I don't have DD disks here, but
I can get some.
I *know* the SE/30 should be able to handle it. I've used mine to do it.
Zane
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8:39 p.m.
::>::The software on Apple's FTP site is all in Mac format (.HQX or MacBin).
::>::Modern Macs have a hard time creating GCR 800K disks (if they can at all).
::>::Apple has gone to the cheaper MFM-only drives which handle the 1.44MB disks
::>::well.
::>
::>Think the SE/30 itself could handle it? If I downloaded the software to
::>another Mac and took the disks over to the SE/30, would it be able to do
::>the ProDOS transfer? It is old enough :-) I don't have DD disks here, but
::>I can get some.
::
::I *know* the SE/30 should be able to handle it. I've used mine to do it.
I tried formatting a DD disk on it, but it only gave me the option to
format as Mac one- or two-sided. Am I missing an extension? If I am, will
the extension work on System 6?
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-- All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegcaps awound? ---------------------------------
8:57 p.m.
::I *know* the SE/30 should be able to handle it.
I've used mine to do it.
I tried formatting a DD disk on it, but it only gave me the option to
format as Mac one- or two-sided. Am I missing an extension? If I am, will
the extension work on System 6?
Um, let me change that statement to I've used mine running System 7.1 to do
it. I guess that could make a difference.... :^(
Zane
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
10:17 p.m.
You don't format the disk before you make a copy with Diskcopy. Diskcopy
accepts what is known as an "image file". After loading the image file, you
can insert a floppy and it will make a disk copy from that image, in
whatever "format" the image was.
After starting Diskcopy, if you insert a foreign diskette (such as when I
put a LisaTest diskette into the drive), the Mac may complain that it is not
a Macintosh disk, but you can select to "mount" it anyway. In any case, you
can copy that disk, or make a copy onto it, or make a hard drive file image
from from it.
The Mac "superdrive" should handle both 800K and 1.44 diskettes (although
I've only used Diskcopy to make a copy of an image on an external 800K drive
just to be safe).
This was all done on a Mac IIsi with 16mb and running system 7.5.
John
jlewczyk(a)his.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Cameron Kaiser
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 9:39 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: AppleTalk on the hoof
::>::The software on Apple's FTP site is all in Mac format (.HQX
or MacBin).
::>::Modern Macs have a hard time creating GCR 800K disks (if
they can at all).
::>::Apple has gone to the cheaper MFM-only drives which handle
the 1.44MB disks
::>::well.
::>
::>Think the SE/30 itself could handle it? If I downloaded the software to
::>another Mac and took the disks over to the SE/30, would it be
able to do
::>the ProDOS transfer? It is old enough :-) I don't have DD
disks here, but
::>I can get some.
::
::I *know* the SE/30 should be able to handle it. I've used mine
to do it.
I tried formatting a DD disk on it, but it only gave me the option to
format as Mac one- or two-sided. Am I missing an extension? If I am, will
the extension work on System 6?
--
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http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ --
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awound? ---------------------------------
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