27 Dec
2001
27 Dec
'01
11:44 p.m.
http://www.siconic.com/crap/PC270014.JPG
I couldn't resist ;)
(For those without the benefit of a GWB, it's a photo of a game I just
bought at the toy store called "eBay Electronic-Talking Auction Game" :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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27 Dec
27 Dec
5:05 p.m.
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
http://www.siconic.com/crap/PC270014.JPG
I couldn't resist ;)
(For those without the benefit of a GWB, it's a photo of a game I just
bought at the toy store called "eBay Electronic-Talking Auction Game" :)
** Excuse me while I throw UP! **
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28 Dec
28 Dec
12:15 p.m.
> http://www.siconic.com/crap/PC270014.JPG
> I couldn't resist ;)
> (For those without the benefit of a GWB, it's a photo of a game I just
> bought at the toy store called "eBay Electronic-Talking Auction Game" :)
** Excuse me while I throw UP! **
Gag. Me three. Hey, my mostly-digested Egg McMuffin and Dr. Pepper even
has the eBay colours.
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12:23 a.m.
New subject: How much should I pay for a Decstation VT78?
I have the opportunity to acquire a Decstation VT78 (basically a PDP-8
crammed into a VT52 terminal) but the price seems a bit steep. I've
been looking for one for abut 2 years and this is the first one I've
come across. It doesn't include the cart or any drives. Any thoughts
on how high I should go?
12:54 a.m.
New subject: How much should I pay for a Decstation VT78?
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
I have the opportunity to acquire a Decstation VT78
(basically a PDP-8
crammed into a VT52 terminal) but the price seems a bit steep. I've
been looking for one for abut 2 years and this is the first one I've
come across. It doesn't include the cart or any drives. Any thoughts
on how high I should go?
$100 tops. If you want it really bad, $150 ;)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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1:32 a.m.
New subject: How much should I pay for a Decstation VT78?
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
> I have the opportunity to acquire a Decstation VT78 (basically a
PDP-8
> crammed into a VT52 terminal) but the price seems
a bit steep. I've
> been looking for one for abut 2 years and this is the first one I've
> come across. It doesn't include the cart or any drives. Any
thoughts
on how high I
should go?
$100 tops. If you want it really bad, $150 ;)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
3:35 a.m.
New subject: How much should I pay for a Decstation VT78?
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
So, if I want it really, really bad, should I meet the
$200 asking
price?
I don't think $200 is completely out of line, but it is a bit high. Try
talking him down to $150, and if you meet halfway at $175 then you've done
a decent job ;)
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9:17 a.m.
New subject: How much should I pay for a Decstation VT78?
--- Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
Cool... that's on my wish-list, too (I have almost every other model...
still missing 8/S, 8/f and 8/m)
I've been looking for substantially longer than two years. Some of
my newer stuff came from the local university - they used to use
WPS-8 in some of the departments. The father of a grade-school classmate
of mine would bring machines home to use there as they threw out
one model after another. I managed to get a 42" racked -8/a w/RX02,
a DM-I and a DM-III through him. Even cooler, by the principle of
Classic Attraction, I found the desktop add-on for the DM-I cart at
the surplus barn (marked $5) and on another visit weeks later, I found
the mounting bracket (Free!)
If you aren't familiar with the DM-I, it is a PDP-8 crammed into a VT-100,
typically sitting on a typing-height pedestal with one or two RX02 drives
built in with the drive mechanisms stacked vertically, 2 or 4. There is
usually a keyboard shelf that clips onto holes in one side of the
pedestal. Optionally, there was a table-top that had only one side-panel;
the drive pedestal held the other side up. There was a bracket for the
keyboard slots that held up the edge of the table.
While it would be nice to have the VT78 cart, I wouldn't be unhappy to
get one without. The drives are going to be standard RX drives inside
(I forget if the VT78 used RX01 or RX02), but the packaging and cabling
might be difficult to locate now. If you are lucky, it's the same as
for the DM-I (DB-25 on the drive with a board that runs the pins from
a DB-25 to a Berg-40; DC-37 on the CPU. There were two cables available
for the DM-I - one with one DB25, and one with two. One of these days,
I'm going to make the double-header cable so I can run a second set of
floppies from my DM-I, but that's a low-priority project).
-ethan
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I have the opportunity to acquire a Decstation
VT78 (basically a PDP-8
crammed into a VT52 terminal) but the price seems a bit steep. I've
been looking for one for abut 2 years and this is the first one I've
come across. It doesn't include the cart or any drives. Any thoughts
on how high I should go?
$100 tops. If you want it really bad, $150 ;) 
5:48 p.m.
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7:12 p.m.
New subject: How much should I pay for a Decstation VT78?
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Tony Duell wrote:
Erzackly.
In my private universe, the value/price criteria are wildly different
for toys & collections than for tools or "inventory".
Obviously, I'm not going to pay the $500 they're asking in the
newsgroups for a used XBox when I can go to WalMart and buy one for $299
new. (OK, I'm not paying the $299 either. Or $2.99)
But the toys we play with aren't Walmart items, and a lot of times
future availability is uncertain at best. For me the equation is
something like:
new_value/1000 * months_looking * cool_factor = $willing_to_pay
Doc
I have the opportunity to acquire a Decstation VT78 (basically a PDP-8
crammed into a VT52 terminal) but the price seems a bit steep. I've
been looking for one for abut 2 years and this is the first one I've
come across. It doesn't include the cart or any drives. Any thoughts
on how high I should go?
How much do you want it, and more importantly how much can you afford?
9:33 p.m.
New subject: How much should I pay for a Decstation VT78?
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Tony Duell wrote:
> >
> > I have the opportunity to acquire a Decstation VT78 (basically a
PDP-8
> > crammed into a VT52 terminal) but the price
seems a bit steep.
I've
> > been looking for one for abut 2 years and
this is the first one
I've
> > come across. It doesn't include the
cart or any drives. Any
thoughts
> > on how high I should go?
>
> How much do you want it, and more importantly how much can you
afford?
Erzackly.
In my private universe, the value/price criteria are wildly different
for toys & collections than for tools or "inventory".
Obviously, I'm not going to pay the $500 they're asking in the
newsgroups for a used XBox when I can go to WalMart and buy one for
$299
new. (OK, I'm not paying the $299 either. Or
$2.99)
But the toys we play with aren't Walmart items, and a lot of times
future availability is uncertain at best. For me the equation is
something like:
new_value/1000 * months_looking * cool_factor = $willing_to_pay
Doc
I agree with all of the above. And, in answer to Tony, I want it a lot
and I can afford the asking price. I just wanted to make sure that the
item I perceived as being uncommon was not as common as dirt and
normally sold for much less.
Doc's formula seems to work well here. With a new value of $7995, and
assuming the "cool factor" goes as high as 1.0 (and giving the VT78 a
.9), I get the following:
$7995/1000 * 30 *.9 = $216 -- and that's just about what's being asked.
-W
-W
29 Dec
29 Dec
7:13 a.m.
New subject: How much should I pay for a Decstation VT78?
Tony,
but then again if I'd not bought it and the other
ones hadn't turned
up I'd be kicking myself now. So on balance, no I'm not complaining.
There's the karma thing too. If you hadn't bought the first one,
the other three might never have appeared either.
Tony Duell wrote:
I have the opportunity to acquire a Decstation VT78 (basically a PDP-8
crammed into a VT52 terminal) but the price seems a bit steep. I've
been looking for one for abut 2 years and this is the first one I've
come across. It doesn't include the cart or any drives. Any thoughts
on how high I should go?
How much do you want it, and more importantly how much can you afford?
The only time I would worry about the exact 'value' of a machine is if I
intended to immediately sell it. Obviously if I wanted to do that then
I'd want to make a profit so I'd not want to pay as much for the machine
as I could sell it for.
But if I wanted to program/modify/use the machine, then how much I'd be
prepared to pay would be ultimately governed by how much money I had
spare (and what other toys I was intending to spend some of that spare
money on).
Suppose I spend $100 on a machine and later find out that somebody else
has got one for $50. I'm not going to be particularly annoyed. Why should
I be? I'm likely to get at least $100 worth of enjoyment from it.
Another example : last year I managed to find a peripheral for one of my
machines that I was looking for. Although it didn't work, it looked to be
in reasonable condition, and I was happy to pay \pounds 25.00 for it. And
I did manage to repair it (1 afternoon's work and a simple IC). A month
or so later I was given another (working) one free of charge. And last
week I was given 2 more of them. Do I regret buying the first one? I
guess I complain that I didn't really need to spend that money, but then
again if I'd not bought it and the other ones hadn't turned up I'd be
kicking myself now. So on balance, no I'm not complaining.
-tony
1:42 p.m.
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28 Dec
28 Dec
2:23 a.m.
Oh. My. God.
g.
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
http://www.siconic.com/crap/PC270014.JPG
I couldn't resist ;)
(For those without the benefit of a GWB, it's a photo of a game I just
bought at the toy store called "eBay Electronic-Talking Auction Game" :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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29 Dec
29 Dec
9:21 a.m.
Great! Now that you own eBay, will you lower the ridiculous fee
structure back to something reasonable?
Thank you.
http://www.siconic.com/crap/PC270014.JPG
I couldn't resist ;)
(For those without the benefit of a GWB, it's a photo of a game I just
bought at the toy store called "eBay Electronic-Talking Auction Game"
:)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
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bricks tied to its head."
11:15 a.m.
> (For those without the benefit of a GWB, it's
a photo of a game I just
> bought at the toy store called "eBay Electronic-Talking Auction Game"
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Paul Braun wrote:
Great! Now that you own eBay, will you lower the
ridiculous fee
structure back to something reasonable?
Yes.
From now on, ALL complaints about e-bay should be
directed to Sellam.
9:14 p.m.
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Paul Braun wrote:
Great! Now that you own eBay, will you lower the
ridiculous fee
structure back to something reasonable?
Naw, I'm planning to fire all the staff, starting with the executives, and
then merge with HP.
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