6 Oct
2005
6 Oct
'05
1:50 a.m.
At 12:07 PM 10/6/05 +0100, you wrote:
Not likely. More like Denmark! A LONG ways from San Fransisco!
Is that a long way? I'm pretty sure the person who has
I'm located in DK
Is that Dakota? the disks are not going to be willing to send them by
post. They are
very precious - being the only copies of this stuff in existance.
That's rather silly. The disks are worthless where they're at now. Find
a reliable shipper, such as FedEx, insure the hell out of the package and
ship them. I've shipped handreds of pounds (weight) of one of a kind books
and disks to Al Kossow and others with no problems. Strong containers, good
packing and insurance are the key factors.
Joe
8 Oct
8 Oct
5:36 p.m.
On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Joe R. wrote:
That's rather silly. The disks are worthless
where they're at now. Find
a reliable shipper, such as FedEx, insure the hell out of the package and
ship them. I've shipped handreds of pounds (weight) of one of a kind books
More to be a smart-ass than anything, but what good is insuring one of a
kind data? It's the data you're after, not the money, and if it's lost,
you not only lose the data for good, but you then have the uphill
challenge of trying to convince Fedex that the 30 year old unfinished
video game that may or may not have been retrievable from your old floppy
disks was worth what you insured it for.
I'm in touch with the author and will be taking care of this ;)
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6:15 p.m.
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Joe R. wrote:
The idea is that the carrier will be much more careful if a package
is insured for $big_num.
Of course, *every* item is handled with the same care (wink wink, nod
nod), but strangely enough I've never had a shipment damaged that was
insured for over $250.
Doc
That's rather silly. The disks are
worthless where they're at now. Find
a reliable shipper, such as FedEx, insure the hell out of the package and
ship them. I've shipped handreds of pounds (weight) of one of a kind books
More to be a smart-ass than anything, but what good is insuring one of a
kind data? It's the data you're after, not the money, and if it's lost,
you not only lose the data for good, but you then have the uphill
challenge of trying to convince Fedex that the 30 year old unfinished
video game that may or may not have been retrievable from your old floppy
disks was worth what you insured it for. 
7:13 p.m.
New subject: OT: Archival storage
This whole discussion about the volatility of storage reminds me of a conversation I had
recently with a friend who's a professional archivist. I asked her what medium was
used for archival storage--CD-ROM, DVD, etc.?
Paper. No ifs ands or buts about it.
We can read paper that's been around for centuries; more than we can say for Zip disks
or 8" floppies. Paper has outlasted everything but stone and baked clay tablets.
And she's right--I have things in my filing cabinet that relate to microprocessors,
such as the handout from the 8008 rollout announcement at Intel (looks to almost be
mimeographed, but was probably just typed with a fabric ribbon).
I've got software design documents printed on 14" tractor-feed paper whose target
systems have long disappeared. I've a few 7-track 556 bpi mag tapes, but no drive to
read 'em on, so they're not particularly useful, even if the oxide doesn't
flake off when I try to read them.
So, if it's important, paper is THE medium. Maybe it doesn't have great recording
density, but it's pretty permanent as things go.
Cheers,
Chuck
1:03 p.m.
New subject: Archival storage
> So, if it's important, paper is THE medium.
Maybe it doesn't
> have great recording density, but it's pretty permanent as things go.
On
Sun, 9 Oct 2005, Gil Carrick wrote:
Not much good for executable files.
Don't forget the bulk erasure in Alexandria
12:46 p.m.
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, Doc Shipley wrote:
The idea is that the carrier will be much more
careful if a package
is insured for $big_num.
Hmmmm....
Of course, *every* item is handled with the same
care (wink wink, nod
nod), but strangely enough I've never had a shipment damaged that was
insured for over $250.
I assume this is encoded somehow on the shipping label so that the drivers
and handlers can determine how many feet they are allowed to drop a
package from?
The ASR32 I shipped to NY came out OK. For shipping, the teletype was
separated from the base and each part was packed in its own box. The TTY
was insured for $1000 and the base for (I think) $350. The TTY was fine.
The base was OK too, but had obviously been mishandled. I mounted a
large and fairly heavy power supply in the base to power the loop. I was
only able to put two bolts into the P/S so I shored it up by wedging some
styrofoam into the base against the P/S. Somewhat shoddy, I admit, but if
it'd been handled with even a modicum of care then it should not have come
loose as it did (one screw mount was ripped from the P/S).
Perhaps the TTY fared better because I put a "FRAGILE" sign on that
package. I did install the transit screw into the typing unit.
Which brings up another bitch. Aside from the shoddy design of the
teletype overall, couldn't they have designed it to not require a bolt be
installed for shipping or moving the unit?
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9:32 a.m.
Perhaps the TTY fared better because I put a
"FRAGILE" sign on that
package. I did install the transit screw into the typing unit.
Odd.. The shipping companies over here speak a strange language where
'Fragile' means 'This package is to be used for playing (american)
football' :-)
Which brings up another bitch. Aside from the shoddy
design of the
teletype overall, couldn't they have designed it to not require a bolt be
installed for shipping or moving the unit?
No. You want the typing unit to float on those rubber mounts in normal
operation to cut down noise and vibration.
Actually, it's quite common for large-ish machinery to need shipping
bolts, clamps, etc to be fitted. I can think of a lot of
non-computer-related examples.
-tony
4:47 p.m.
...
Actually, it's quite common for large-ish
machinery to need
shipping bolts, clamps, etc to be fitted. I can think of a
lot of non-computer-related examples.
Lots of the older large disk drives had a restraining bolt that would lock
the heads into a retracted position when you were going to ship it. The CDC
9762 is one I am familiar with.
Gil
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