Nada.... $ show dev mk %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available _David On Monday, Dec 9, 2002, at 22:31 America/New_York, Zane H. Healy wrote:

show scsi shows the KZQSA bit doesn't show any devices under it like what show dev shows for the RF35 disks on the system. I'm about to find a LInux box to put the tape on to make sure that its not the tape drive... David On Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002, at 12:14 America/New_York, Kevin Handy wrote:

I wouldn't normally post this kind of ad here but considering how unique this system is, I thought that some of you might want to know about the auction. It's a non-revision Apple II, serial #2000. It also has the old style toggle switch power supply, and the system works. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2080413427&index… yphotohosting Ernest

AND it was sniped. Went from $1535 to the final $3850 in the final 2 minutes. Lawrence On 15 Dec 2002, , J.C.Wren wrote: lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

Jeffrey asks: Nothing. In fact, it does less. It only has four colors in hires graphics mode (white, black, and two actual colors) vs. six colors for later units. And it might not have the power-on-reset circuit, so you might manually have to hit the reset key after powering it up. And contrary to the seller's claims, it is missing the original monitor ROM, which was replaced by an Autostart ROM.

On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Eric Smith wrote: <...> That's a big minus in it's favor. Even at a more reasonable selling price, this would certainly not the value down a couple dozen percentage points. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

I think it was the earliest serial # Apple II to go on sale (#2000 I believe). The fact that it had document + in working condition was a big plus. I'm not sure I would have paid $3800 though. Btw - Does anyone know who the guy at ebay user id 'abeclassic' is? I wish I had his deep pockets...he bids on a lot of things and definitely outspends everyone. Some times I wonder if it's worth bidding on if he his even thinking about the same item. http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewBidItems&u serid=abeclassic&completed=1&sort=3&all=1&rows=25 -Chandra -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey H. Ingber Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:45 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: 1977 Apple II for sale. What does that machine do that a 'normal' Apple II doesn't? Jeff On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 15:43, Lawrence Walker wrote: [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On the old http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2080413427&index…

Many (most) manufacturers do not start with s/n 1, thanks to the marketing people. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, William Donzelli wrote: Well, lore has it that the first Apple ][ had serial number 2001 (Jobs' deference to Stanley Kubrick), so the serial number on this unit is somewhat of a mystery to me. I remember when Ernest first came to me way back when he first acquired this. I was confused with the serial number. He is pretty sure from his research that the number written on the motherboard is indeed the serial number, but I still have to wonder. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

Army electronics from before 1945 often repreated serial numbers. To really confuse the issue, some old radio manufacturers (Scott, I think) used random serial numbers. Each time a new radio came off the line, a guy would look in a big book, find a num,ber that was not used, stamp the plate, then cross out the number. So don't trust serial numbers. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

Jeffrey H. Ingber wrote: That sounds like a collector not knowing enough about what he is collecting, and assuming it's rare because of the 1.0 version number. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

Scarletdown wrote: I've reduced much clutter, but am still having problems. I just moved, and my friends, that helped, made me very much aware that I have too many unfinished projects. In fact, since they aren't computer guys, they identified my disassembled DEC BA123 chassis as R2D2, and am convinced that I am participating in Iraqs weapons program!! I should have showed them my radioactive material..... It's part of the old smoke detector I found in the house :-) Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

I get great solace from telling people about my leech tank, and how tiresome feeding time can be. On 15 Dec 2002, Christopher McNabb wrote: M. K. Peirce Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc. Shady Lea, Rhode Island "Casta est quam nemo rogavit." - Ovid

No, I like to grow aquatic plants and a couple of leeches came in on one. The whole leech tank story is much better though, and the reactions of disgust are priceless. On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote: M. K. Peirce Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc. Shady Lea, Rhode Island "Casta est quam nemo rogavit." - Ovid

I was in the local purveyor of old chips establishment today, and noticed a drawer of about 20 AMD2901CDC bit slicers. I don't know how common they are right now, but it *seems* that I remember a thread of someone looking for some. The price on the drawer said $5/ea. That may be high, may be low, I don't know. I try not to express an interest in items until I'm ready to buy, so as not to drive the price up. Anyway, if anyone is interested, they're at Austin Electronics, in Atlanta. http://austinelex.com -- 800-229-2878 If these things are common as dirt, sorry. Didn't know. --John

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--- Tony Duell &lt;ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk&gt; wrote: I associate those numbers the same way as well, but I didn't want to assert that it was the only interpretation. I have never designed or constructed anything using any of that family, but I have repaired a few things with them. In particular, I recognize the 2910 as appearing on the Tandon SASI<->ST506 board in the Commodore D9060 and D9090 drives. ISTR it's much like the 2901 but wider than 4 bits - kind of an integrated building block for those designers who are more concerned with real estate than extracting every last feature the 2901 has to offer, i.e., a compact short-cut. I do not recognize the others from vintage equipment I have. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Merle K. Peirce wrote: Hey... I knew you had old computer systems at RICM, but I didn't realize you also had old meteorological instruments like a Tempest Prognosticator. -brian.

Why? What do you feed them to?

On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Scarletdown wrote: You shouldn't expect or feel entitled to a windfall just because one auction goes out of control like this one did. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Chandra Bajpai wrote: The Red Book is always a nice thing to have and definitely added value to this machine. The other documentation is also very nice. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

I've corresponded with the gentleman a little. He seems like a nice enough guy, if a bit richer than most of us. I have been able to win a few items he's been interested in but it has cost me. He is hard to outbid. Erik -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chandra Bajpai Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:57 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: 1977 Apple II for sale. I think it was the earliest serial # Apple II to go on sale (#2000 I believe). The fact that it had document + in working condition was a big plus. I'm not sure I would have paid $3800 though. Btw - Does anyone know who the guy at ebay user id 'abeclassic' is? I wish I had his deep pockets...he bids on a lot of things and definitely outspends everyone. Some times I wonder if it's worth bidding on if he his even thinking about the same item. http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewBidItems&u serid=abeclassic&completed=1&sort=3&all=1&rows=25 -Chandra -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey H. Ingber Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:45 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: 1977 Apple II for sale. What does that machine do that a 'normal' Apple II doesn't? Jeff On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 15:43, Lawrence Walker wrote: [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On the old http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2080413427&index…

He bid on lots of Sol 20s but didn't win them all. The link was to a bid history, not an "items won" history. I wouldn't have a problem with someone taking 4 non-functional Sol's and making one working one out of them, though. They bid, they win, they can do what they want with their machines. It's better to have 1 working collectable then 4 broken junkers. All I'd hope is that the remaining could be used to resurrect some other machines in time. Erik S. Klein www.vintage-computer.com -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey H. Ingber Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 10:30 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: 1977 Apple II for sale. On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 00:42, Erik S. Klein wrote: He's sucked down nearly every SOL-20 on E-bay for quite awhile. There's at least 4 of them in the first three pages of his history linked to previously. I dread the thought of someone turning those four SOLs into one SOL. Jeff definitely he http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewBidItems&u 2 about the http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2080413427&index…

his permission. I've had several dealings with him and he seems to be a real upright guy. Someone refers to him as "Avi" in his feedback. -W

On 15 Dec 2002, Jeffrey H. Ingber wrote: It cures impotence apparently. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

I've been told it's more of a mental thing. Gruss H. -- VCF Europa 4.0 am 03./04. Mai 2003 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/

Uncontrolled? What, does yours get up and wander off on it's own sometimes or something? --John -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Sellam Ismail Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 08:32 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: 1977 Apple II for sale. On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Hans Franke wrote: Millions of men walking around with uncontrolled hard-ons can't be wrong. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, J.C.Wren wrote: It used to, but now I'm a bit more settled, so it behaves. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

"... for a dollar ninety-nine!" -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- "I'd love to go out with you, but I need to clean my toilet brush." --------

Only if your around 40 and have had a breakdown of a longterm relationship. Lawrence On 16 Dec 2002, , Hans Franke wrote: lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, J.C.Wren wrote: I'm very happy for Ernest, but this is totally fracking ridiculous. It's definitely a very nice example of a very early Apple ][, but $3,850 for something that was produced in such numbers is a bit obscene. (And I'm jealous it's not in my collection ;) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

Mike Ford wrote: In the famous words of P. T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute." I'm glad I'm not one of them. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO

Based on the amount of emails that I received from all over the world, about this auction, I was a little surprised that it didn't end at a higher price. This kind of thing happens all the time. I'm not interested in Altair's, or even Apple I computers but people are willing to spend a lot of money to own them. To each his own. I'm happy for them. Sometimes, people really want something and they are willing to pay large amounts of money to get it. I know that I've been guilty of doing that and I can think of very few times when I regretted it. Apple II clones are my obsession, and there have been times when I spent way more than I could logically justify to get them but so what. It's my money. One interesting thing about this auction is the amount of "buzz" that it generated. Now, a lot of people know about this very computer, number 2000, and people have a way of turning objects into "items of importance" over time if for no other reason than because there was a "buzz" about it. If this computer is ever displayed at an event like the VCF, people will talk about it because it's "that" computer. In a way, all this hubbub may have increased it's value even further. Hehe. E.

There are always items on Ebay that go for absurdly high prices. That DEC book by Gordon Bell for example keeps going for $50 - $60 per copy. You would think its hard to come by or something. Well, its not. A PDP 11/70 front panel for $152.50, thats absurd. Only one person bids on a PDP 8/E in pristine condition without any cards, so it goes for $500 while at the same time a 8/E with a nice set of essential cards goes for $2,248. Now thats absurd, and also explains how i'm able to get my 8's so cheaply. Which is good, because I couldnt afford to buy even one 8/E at a $2,248 price tag ;) Of course, my luck runs out when it comes to finding RK05's. But an Apple ][ going for more than the price of an 8/E boggles the mind. -Lawrence LeMay

Ernest...Out of curiosity, do you know the history behind the machine? Did you get it from the original owner? It's a great find! Thanks, Chandra -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ernest Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:23 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: 1977 Apple II for sale. DEC You 11/70 8/E $2,248. cheaply. $2,248 mind. You do realize that what you are saying is your own opinion though, right? Also, you failed to understand the point that I was trying to make which is that each collector has their own idea of what is valuable, for reasons that you or I may not understand. To say that it's absurd for someone to pay more for something they want, than you would for something you want seems kind of absurd to me. Sure the 8/E may be more rare, or cool, or whatever than an Apple II with a low serial number but it's value is based on what you (the collector) are willing to pay. I wouldn't pay $4000.00 for a deluxe Altair but obviously there are a few folks out there who would. Nor would I pay $2248 for a PDP of any type or condition but it I don't become distressed if other people choose to. It boggles my mind to think that you/we collectors, having seen this all before, are even slightly surprised by this kind of thing anymore. There are several billion people on this planet, so I would say the odds are pretty good that at least two of them will, for whatever reasons, try very hard to get something that is fairly rare on that kind of scale. One more thing to consider is that most people would agree that Altair's are fairly rare but you can find them on ebay on a regular basis. If you don't see one there today then wait a day or two and you will. That doesn't seem all that rare to me, and yet people are still willing to pay more than $3k for them. How often do you see very early model Apple II's, in any condition? I don't remember ever seeing one like the computer I just sold. Sure, you can find Apple II's on ebay all the time but they are usually later revisions, and have II+ keyboards, and beat up cases, etc.. Savvy collectors know this, so they don't bid $3800 dollars for them but the computer that I just sold is not like that. What's more, there was no existing precedent for the value of something like it. To further beat a dead horse, consider that there are folks who are willing to spend millions for what they consider art. Things like paintings and sculptures sell for millions only because that is what some people are willing to pay. In my opinion, some computers are works of art, which can inspire the same emotional response in me that a fine sculpture can in other people. If I had an Altair, I wouldn't use it. I would display it like a painting or any other piece of fine art. Sadly, I can't afford either one of them so I don't think about it. The point is that the value of something like a painting, or an old computer is determined by the people who want it. In this case, the user base for the Apple II is larger than the one for the 8/E, so it would follow that there would be more people desiring to own an Apple II like the one I just sold. E.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Chandra Bajpai wrote: $500 tops. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

Its a KZQSA.... David On Monday, Dec 9, 2002, at 23:51 America/New_York, Brian Chase wrote: